Changes ahead in 2024 & 2025 for villages

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Changes ahead in 2024 & 2025 for villages

Post by some seeing eye » Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:35 am

Don't panic and mind the gap department department....

Burning Man works like a clock. After gates close, DPW removes the infrastructure, Resto activates, and a substantial accounting and reporting is done to the BLM and other agencies. This year some of the Outside Services accounting is complex due to BxB & BxA closing early, then all the new services around our unusual exodus. No doubt a lot of fine print reading. The 2024 budget and ticket structure is designed and contracts start to be planned. Of course the staff want and need a vacation and to spend time with family!

The clock moves forward on its own schedule. It is now time for Placement to stir, with statements of intent.

There is a change coming to villages, and we are in the time where it is not exactly clear what next year will look like.

Don't panic (yet!)

What the BORG seems to be saying, and no doubt will drop an essay, is that villages will apply as a collection of individual camps (possibly one big camp some are discussing.) The individual camps in the collection will be request to be placed together.

As part of the sustainability roadmap, we all want to lower our fossil fuel emissions on playa, moving toward carbon neutral, and separate our solid waste for recycling off playa except for the Gerlach Schools can crush. So the BORG is requesting more documentation of that in the form of "Hubs." Pending an official explanation, Hubs something something villages.

The new system may provide a finer grained distribution of stewards tickets IN 2025. See below.

Personally I've been part of a village when things were simpler, Woonami Village. We stopped counting at 500. I really value Nectar Village, or whatever the current name, and the AEZ. Obviously Kidsville. I have not experienced the others.

At the moment if you are part of a village, it is a good time to be communicating with your village organizers as the master plan unfolds. If you are not part of a village it does not affect you!!!!

From Level, the Duke of Placement"

(The) "email to BRC villages and camps within villages.
The emails were sent were only sent to camps/villages that were impacted and not general announcements for the whole community. So if you didn't get an email, it's because you were not impacted. You don't need to feel left out and don't need to contact Placement asking why you didn't receive either of those notifications."

Official:

https://help.burningman.org/hc/en-us/ar ... le-Tickets

Inside of that is:

NEW 12. I’m in a village, who fills out the SOI?
Placement is ending the village designation as a placed camp category between 2024-25.

All village mayors should submit a SOI on behalf of all your theme camps within the village in 2024. Theme camps within villages should not submit a SOI and should work with your village mayor to access the 2024 Stewards Sale. 2024 will be the last year village mayors can submit a SOI.

In 2025, theme camps in villages will need to complete the SOI to receive their own allotment of Stewards Sale tickets directly from Placement."

https://help.burningman.org/hc/en-us/ar ... inability-

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Re: Changes ahead in 2024 & 2025 for villages

Post by spolsky » Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:51 pm

I've been a part of a hub now for two years, since they introduced that program. My camp (Future Turtles) is in a hub with three other camps. We share a generator and some water infrastructure, and submit a request to Placement for how we want the camps to be laid out. They have always worked with us and gotten us the exact layout we request. I like the HUBS program better than being a village honestly because there's a lot more flexibility in deciding what you want to share and what you want to do independently.

To be honest, anything you were doing with a village, you can do with a single camp (if you want the mayor of the village to get all the Stewards tickets to distribute) or with a HUB (if you want each camp to submit their own placement application and get their own Stewards tickets).

There are probably some other very small differences, mostly around paperwork, but I don't see much of a big deal here.

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Re: Changes ahead in 2024 & 2025 for villages

Post by The Rod » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:02 pm

with the ticket glut and the glorious weather last year, will stewards tickets (such a stupid name) even have the same appeal they have had in the past?
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Re: Changes ahead in 2024 & 2025 for villages

Post by spolsky » Mon Jan 01, 2024 8:59 am

That's a good question!

Personally I think a lot of the glut was caused by the org dumping tickets on camps that hadn't asked for them and didn't expect them, through the RIDE and Environmental Sustainability programs, at the last minute when people had already finalized their vacation plans. I don't think they are going to make that timing mistake again. If they award those tickets earlier in the schedule camps won't end up suddenly holding tickets that they didn't plan for, which will probably mean more tickets available early on during the main sale timeframe when there are still lots of potential burners to soak them up. So if my theory holds up, you'll see that it's easier for people to get tickets at all stages, but there won't be this flood of $100 tickets on ebay in August.

But this is all speculation :)

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Re: Changes ahead in 2024 & 2025 for villages

Post by Papa Bear » Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:55 pm

Speaking only for myself, I think the notion that the org is to blame for “dumping” tickets on camps is complete nonsense.

The org just offered camps the tickets, they didn’t compel them to accept them. Camps were completely free to turn them down.

If a camp decided to buy tickets they didn’t actually need and didn’t have specific individual buyers identified for, then IMHO that’s their own damn fault. The org isn’t responsible for that error any more than Costco would be if the camp bought far more giant plastic jars of pretzels than they could ever use.

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Re: Changes ahead in 2024 & 2025 for villages

Post by FlyingMonkey » Thu Mar 07, 2024 1:18 pm

Papa Bear wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:55 pm
Speaking only for myself, I think the notion that the org is to blame for “dumping” tickets on camps is complete nonsense.

The org just offered camps the tickets, they didn’t compel them to accept them. Camps were completely free to turn them down.

If a camp decided to buy tickets they didn’t actually need and didn’t have specific individual buyers identified for, then IMHO that’s their own damn fault. The org isn’t responsible for that error any more than Costco would be if the camp bought far more giant plastic jars of pretzels than they could ever use.
When I have the opportunity to buy Steward Sale tickets (Totally agree, it's a stupid name) I will usually buy 2 knowing I can find someone who missed out in the Main sale. Last year I cut it close and almost didn't unload my second one. We had 2 people in camp that ate their second ticket.

I'll probably buy 2 this year knowing that it may turn out to be an unused donation to the Man.
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