Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Ratty » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm

Unjohn, here too. I just took my jacket off in the office. Or was that' "take off your pants and jacket"?
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Jackass » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:50 pm

Drop your pants and jacket off...


at the dry cleaners.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by kiboy » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:57 pm

unjonharley wrote:Boy, Its a great sunny day here... can't find but one thing to complain about.. That is there is nothing to complain about..

Sept and Oct in Southern Oregon is amazing. Even after 26 years I can't believe how nice these two months are. Sunny with bright blue sky and not too warm and cool nights. It rarely rains in Sept ever. 80 degrees at the moment. I just got in from a nap in the sun on the back deck. No complaints.

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by FIGJAM » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:38 am

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:00 pm

you can spray all of this you want to on it, but it STILL smells like Shit.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Zealous » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:31 pm

Figjam, I'm sure you had some questions about how turnkey camps are evaluated and placed prior to this article being written. Does it answer ANY of them?
We’re often asked why we even placed Turnkey camps if they didn’t meet our standard for public interactivity. It’s an excellent question.
...and one she doesn't answer anywhere in the next 6 paragraphs

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by FIGJAM » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:52 pm

Egg salad!!!
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Ratty » Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:51 pm

Dear Kristen Berg, We would like to know how these camps get tickets. We, (the ordinary garden variety burner), have to miss a day of work and sit at our computer praying and cursing alternately. Ditto for the registration for step tickets. Do you really guarantee these tickets to the P&Ps? How else would they do business? THAT is my biggest resentment. And believe me I'm not alone. Your blog didn't tell us any information about this. Are the rich able to simply pay the price and come to the party. Exactly how many tickets go to P&P camps. Are those people entitled to attend more than a guy that jumps through the hoops and still doesn't get a ticket? Please enlighten us. I would love to hear that those camps buy their tickets through the pre sale, main sale, step, craig's list at face value and private parties. Thank you in advance for your timely reply.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Joeln » Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:51 pm

Ratty wrote:Dear Kristen Berg, We would like to know how these camps get tickets. We, (the ordinary garden variety burner), have to miss a day of work and sit at our computer praying and cursing alternately. Ditto for the registration for step tickets. Do you really guarantee these tickets to the P&Ps? How else would they do business? THAT is my biggest resentment. And believe me I'm not alone. Your blog didn't tell us any information about this. Are the rich able to simply pay the price and come to the party. Exactly how many tickets go to P&P camps. Are those people entitled to attend more than a guy that jumps through the hoops and still doesn't get a ticket? Please enlighten us. I would love to hear that those camps buy their tickets through the pre sale, main sale, step, craig's list at face value and private parties. Thank you in advance for your timely reply.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by TomServo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:19 pm

If they get special tickets, make em Will Call
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by some seeing eye » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:27 am

Ban Segways and all one person MV's.

Limit commodification camps to 1% of the population.

Increase the commodification ticket price, to say $3000, with the premium going to the low income ticket program.

Measure the post-playa "transformation" of commodification campers, and modify or discontinue the program based on results.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by lucky420 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:10 am

Why would you ban segways or 1 person mv's?

I would never use a Segway because I would so fall and break my ass...

I'm just not that coordinated
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by tamarakay » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:15 am

A ban of one person mv's would rid of us the cupcakes, and that would make me sad.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by unjonharley » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:33 am

One person MV's are art sculptures.. My art sculpture's are hi-bread electric-pedal and always with in BRC street rules..

You can post all kinds of rules on ethics... It will be a lot like spitting into the wind. Some one will put then right back in your face..
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Lonesomebri » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:22 am

unjonharley wrote:One person MV's are art sculptures.. My art sculpture's are hi-bread electric-pedal and always with in BRC street rules..
You can post all kinds of rules on ethics... It will be a lot like spitting into the wind. Some one will put then right back in your face..
Yeah yeah, rules have never been enforced or needed for ethics, who actually believes this? Is there room on your high-bread piece of art for the pedos and rapists? Not that anyone here outright approves of them, but simpleton talk about there should be no rules on ethics, implies somebody here would be ok with them (unless their talk of no rules is just that talk talk talk). Look, we all know that rules do get enacted and enforced on ethical issues, why kid yourself? Living in a fantasy of no rules apply is like spitting in the wind, there, maybe you can understand such a complex issue now. Hey, what's up with the fence? And tickets? And the BLM? What??????? There are rules????!!!!!!
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by FIGJAM » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:13 pm

50 BUCKET COOLERS!!!

$150 EACH AT 5&G!!!

NO WAITING!!!!!!

Battery not included.

Bring your own water. :twisted:
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Jackass » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:22 pm

FIGJAM wrote:50 BUCKET COOLERS!!!

$150 EACH AT 5&G!!!

NO WAITING!!!!!!

Battery not included.

Bring your own water. :twisted:
It's the FIGJAM fire sale!
When the man burns, so does the leftover inventory!
Get'em while they're still hot!!

Can you do that in just three easy installments?.. I'm a little bit tapped right now
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by FIGJAM » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:27 pm

Just look for the dude with the fists full of cash!!!

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:11 pm

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by some seeing eye » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:43 pm

I have been hinting about this throughout many of my comments. Once the event has bodyguards, the entire culture of the event is over. The org has escalated toward that by allowing and obfuscating and a small number of pissed off people have escalated it. It's a positive feedback system. I disagree with both, but there you have it.

The problem with single passenger powered vehicles, standing, sitting or reclining, is they put the operator in default world motor vehicle operation mindset, with no interaction. A two+ seater offers more options for interaction. Segways are ostentatious. The cupcakes could come back as two seaters easily.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Zealous » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:09 pm

OH NO! There's something ostentatious at burning man? Call the police NOW!

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by gaminwench » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:09 pm

Some seeing eye ...
you're mistaken.
The cupcakes are built on electric wheelchairs, they cannot carry two.
The serpent Twins are ART, not passenger vehicles; I guarantee that there is more personal interaction coming out of those MV's (they play with the burners, they create a playa dance/cuddle space, they make us laugh) than some huge party barge. Their makers are artists, not bus drivers.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by unjonharley » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:28 pm

gaminwench wrote:Some seeing eye ...
you're mistaken.
The cupcakes are built on electric wheelchairs, they cannot carry two.
The serpent Twins are ART, not passenger vehicles; I guarantee that there is more personal interaction coming out of those MV's (they play with the burners, they create a playa dance/cuddle space, they make us laugh) than some huge party barge. Their makers are artists, not bus drivers.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Ratty » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:43 pm

I love the one-seater MVs. A lot of them are 'support vehicles' for those that would otherwise be unable to participate. Some are just plain fun. I'm not threatened by them or envious of their ability to tootle around without pedaling. Even the stand up gas powered scooters will give you a hand if you ask. They delivered water when the Burner Express arrived and more than once I've had help with my ice purchase. I'm able to walk and bike but not everyone is so lucky. When I can no longer walk I'll roll around in a Zardoz Head.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:42 am

I have been hinting about this throughout many of my comments. Once the event has bodyguards, the entire culture of the event is over.


exactly what i was hinting at as well...


MARK MY WORDS......some fuckos are going to push a "prank" too far and Private, Hired, Professional Security is going to deal with it the way they were trained...

they are there to protect their Clients, who are Important and worth Millions & Millions.

i know...i have been there, and seen that.

somebody is going to get hurt because the defaultia rules of conduct and the playa rules of conduct do not align in many instances.


we WILL have an "Altamont Moment" as a result.

seriously.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Jovankat » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:15 pm

As much as segways may be a symbol of PnP they are not *the problem*. There's a correlation but not a causation between them and PnP camps.

Banning segways makes about as much sense as demonising all black folk because of the correlation between black skin and the conviction rate while ignoring historical and economic factors that have effected black crime rates and statistics that show fair skinned folk commit as much crime but they're much less likely to get convicted for it.

Yes that's a pretty extreme example but it is the kind of thinking you're advocating. It's bigoted, close minded and just plain stupid. It won't help the situation, in fact it will likely just create further us and them animosity and completely innocent non-PnPers will be punished because of your prejudices.

You stay the fuck away from those adorable cupcake cars goddammit! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by jneilvindy » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:20 pm

Totally agree. And I wonder if private security is armed...


Simon of the Playa wrote:
I have been hinting about this throughout many of my comments. Once the event has bodyguards, the entire culture of the event is over.


exactly what i was hinting at as well...


MARK MY WORDS......some fuckos are going to push a "prank" too far and Private, Hired, Professional Security is going to deal with it the way they were trained...

they are there to protect their Clients, who are Important and worth Millions & Millions.

i know...i have been there, and seen that.

somebody is going to get hurt because the defaultia rules of conduct and the playa rules of conduct do not align in many instances.


we WILL have an "Altamont Moment" as a result.

seriously.

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Jovankat » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:30 pm

That would be against the rules of the BLM closure order.

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by jneilvindy » Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:25 pm

I thought public lands used for profit was against BLM rules?
Jovankat wrote:That would be against the rules of the BLM closure order.

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