Eplaya Camp 2005

tisha2 · Post by **tisha2** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:17 pm

holy shit, you guys.

you have me sitting here considering leaving my bm job to do this.

first off, i have to say that it's pretty darn hard to get a spot on the esplanade unless you have tenure and something pretty damned impressive to offer the community.

that said - the idea of setting up shop in an actual bar on the playa and bringing all of this to life is just, well, titillating to be honest.

tell ya what - if a bunch of the barflies promise to bring in at least one of the virtual objects they have contributed to The Bar...i'll do it.
and if Sensei delivers anything even resembling that sign he *made*, i'm in for sure.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:35 pm

samtzu wrote:
Zulegoona wrote:I have to find a job in order to know if I'll have the money to go not to mention the time off. If I ever do get my shit together I would love to sign up for the camp, but I can't commit to anything yet.

That of course won't stop me from throwing in my two cents worth, before then.
To me, this is the whole point: those who can provide goods (Sofas, bar, shade, art) do so. Those who can provide cash for booze, consumables, etc,; do so. Those who can provide time to man (or woman) the bar, do so. Those who can provide ides for the whole guacamole, do so. As you all know, this is what we do on the eplaya every day.

This is the conduit for our collective energy.... lets look at it that way, and we all know that it will work! (Shit! Shades of Gene Wilder in Young Frankenstein!!)

I'm going with samtzu here. The first thing to plan on doing is getting yourself, and whatever you absolutely need there. The rest of it , well we have roughly 9 and a half months, which translates to 40 weeks, or 282 days, to figure out how to get it there.

Tisha, you'd think if we had enough people committed to this, as a representative of this site we might be able to get a decent location, even if it isn't right on the esplanade, maybe up a couple of slots in a side street. Who knows?

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:31 pm

Libations-

I'll make sure to pitch in a couple of fifths of interesting stuff. I won't be there, but you guys can have fun. Just make sure to remember that the green bottle is for conversation, whle the red bottle is definitely not.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:34 pm

Why not Rob? You mean not at our camp, or you mean not at BM at all?

You're not turning yourself in this week for another 16 month stint, r ya?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:45 pm

tonytohono wrote:Why not Rob? You mean not at our camp, or you mean not at BM at all?

You're not turning yourself in this week for another 16 month stint, r ya?

Rob has already said that this year was his last BM but I dont belive him. I mean I belive him but the world around BM sometimes has it's ways.

Know what I mean?

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:48 pm

I most certainly do DVD. I'm surprised that if he isn't going to BM that he is hanging out here.

Oh well, that sucks... not that he hangs out here, but that he doesn't expect to go anymore.

You hear that Rob, I'm talking some lipity lip smack about you.

One less entertaining person to track down. Bummer.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:55 pm

It would be a good thing to talk with Captain Goddammit, and Doc pyro about what is going to be needed for the bar. On the bar thread Cap Goddammit said he spent $250-$500 and he pretty much serves just one drink.

Mister Jellyfish Mister · Post by **Mister Jellyfish Mister** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:52 am

Zulegoona wrote:It would be a good thing to talk with Captain Goddammit, and Doc pyro about what is going to be needed for the bar. On the bar thread Cap Goddammit said he spent $250-$500 and he pretty much serves just one drink.

I was a casino bartender for over a decade and can attest to the wisdom of serving only one drink to a large crowd... seldom the case. Good mixology takes time, tools, and skill or some pretty strong resistance to the gag reflex among patrons. Also, it allows a pre-mix to be set up in advance so that if the hottest looking participant wants to work behind the plank it does not end up a very cute disaster.

Guy: "I'll have a double perfect martini with olive juice straight up in a chilled snifter with a sprinkle of fairy dust."
Captain GD: "Here you go" (handing him the best margarita of his life).

'Works for me!

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:04 am

Zulegoona wrote:It would be a good thing to talk with Captain Goddammit, and Doc pyro about what is going to be needed for the bar. On the bar thread Cap Goddammit said he spent $250-$500 and he pretty much serves just one drink.

Anybody out there know how to manufacture and run a still? =) Your right Zule, this part of the concept is going to require some relatively substantial funds. It's a good thing you bar people are more experienced in these lines, because we're going to need a lot of input on this front.

Most of the bars at BRC seem to stick to one drink, usually some unspecified concoction served punch style, and only during certain hours of operation. It would be nice to have more than one alternative drink. Another thing is that if it is open 24/7 we are going to be inundated with thirsty burners. =)

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:09 am

Mister Jellyfish Mister wrote:
Zulegoona wrote:It would be a good thing to talk with Captain Goddammit, and Doc pyro about what is going to be needed for the bar. On the bar thread Cap Goddammit said he spent $250-$500 and he pretty much serves just one drink.
I was a casino bartender for over a decade and can attest to the wisdom of serving only one drink to a large crowd... seldom the case. Good mixology takes time, tools, and skill or some pretty strong resistance to the gag reflex among patrons. Also, it allows a pre-mix to be set up in advance so that if the hottest looking participant wants to work behind the plank it does not end up a very cute disaster.

Guy: "I'll have a double perfect martini with olive juice straight up in a chilled snifter with a sprinkle of fairy dust."
Captain GD: "Here you go" (handing him the best margarita of his life).

'Works for me!

Macdonalds has made it big by keeping it simple... We can keep it even simpler.... This is a good idea, thanks MJFM... we'll probably be doing something just like this....

Of course, the regulars can bring their own and be served... or, like in Tisha's bar... serve themselves.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:23 am

tonytohono wrote:Anybody out there know how to manufacture and run a still? =)

Well now shucks tonytohono, this would plumb be illegal- now wouldn't it? Of course, the theory behind a still- quite oddly enough- if VERY similiar to the oil extractors sold at home brew shops up here in Oregon. Steinbarts sells oil extractors that, if you happen to live in New Zealand, could be used to make distilled alcohol.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:42 am

Rob the Wop wrote:
tonytohono wrote:Anybody out there know how to manufacture and run a still? =)
Well now shucks tonytohono, this would plumb be illegal- now wouldn't it?

It's only illegal if it's done illegally, right? I didn't say bring your still to BM, or even suggest we ought to do such a thing as manufacture alcohol. Wink wink. I was just asking. Total innocense.

tisha2 · Post by **tisha2** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:43 am

here's what i was thinkin' - and pretty much what worked at the bar i worked at our decom and is pretty much the deal at my usual village bar -

you do have one 'usual' beverage that you make pitchers of ready-made (bloody mary's at bm and 'playa sunrises' at decom), and you keep a few other basics & mixers (that not every yahoo that walks up needs to know are available) like whiskey, vodka, tequila, juices, soda water, coke. plus, when you put the call out for donations, you never know what'll show up. we're not gonna turn stuff away just cuz it doesn't go in our 'main' drink, now are we??

at this point, however, i'm more concerned with a structure and materials for said structure - 4x4 posts, a big ass tent, rebar, rope, plywood bar, coolers, trash cans, burn barrel, tables & chairs, cups...
...thinking about drink recipes at this point feels a little bit like putting the old cart before the horse...

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:50 am

DVD Burner wrote:
tonytohono wrote:Why not Rob? You mean not at our camp, or you mean not at BM at all?

You're not turning yourself in this week for another 16 month stint, r ya?

;-)
Rob has already said that this year was his last BM but I dont belive him. I mean I belive him but the world around BM sometimes has it's ways.

Know what I mean?

Last year was BM's last chance to impress Rob and it didn't rise to the occasion. Let him have his break. Either he's gonna be back or he won't. Life is that way. If we ask real nice maybe he'll provide a cardboard cut out dressed in drag and we can have a camp function of glueing on fur.

(Feriociously dedecated to protecting her sock)

buckethead alien · Post by **buckethead alien** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:53 am

I keep having this waking nightmare of sleeping through the M'n'G and then NEVER FINDING ANYONE.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:03 am

buckethead alien wrote:I keep having this waking nightmare of sleeping through the M'n'G and then NEVER FINDING ANYONE.

Here's the solution... get a handheld CB radio. One of those 40 channel ones that works for miles, none of this motorola walkabout pieces of shit. We'll have the channels we are going to use laid out later. We'll find you, even if you are drunk off your ass and have lost all sense of direction.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:00 am

O.K. many responses

first, GE, I was referring to DVDs post that he's O.K. with chicks slapping him

now, on to the business at hand

Esplanade I have not had a problem getting it. I am casting about for my thing to do my thing with next year but if I do it in Eplaya camp I feel pretty confidant you'll get the spot you want. I have, according to various org types, a good reputation for delivering what was promised, cleaning up, being very organised, and most importantly, not giving them any attitudde along the way. Even if I don't throw in with y'all I can help with suggestions on the process of getting your spot.

power is someone gonna provide it?

drinks you're on the right track. What we did that was totally fire and forget was get a couple of the 5 gallon, gatorade type dispensor thingies you see at sporting events. 10 minutes of labor for the mixing allows you to serve hassle free for hours. Just gotta make sure you are clear on your proportions cuz it's hard to fine tune when your working with that scale

structure you can save a tremendous amount of weight and cost by working with steel cable. Use 4x4s as posts and attach and anchor everything else with cable. Lightweight, easy to do, and very elegant. No saggy, flappy tarps.

missing the MnG I hear ya BH. I have yet to make one

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:02 am

stuart wrote: first, GE, I was referring to DVDs post

good to know. thanks stuart.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:54 am

buckethead alien wrote:I keep having this waking nightmare of sleeping through the M'n'G and then NEVER FINDING ANYONE.

The real nightmare you should be having is sleeping through the M'n'G and then seeing the pics three months later and realizing--THOSE SHINY TROUSERS WENT WITHOUT YOU!!!!! The Bat Rastards.

regynalonglank · Post by **regynalonglank** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:37 pm

tonytohono wrote:Anybody out there know how to manufacture and run a still? =)

no, but i picked grapes and i'm going to end up with a couple of cases of red wine, and i would be willing to donate a case to the cause.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:41 pm

stuart wrote: Esplanade I have not had a problem getting it. I am casting about for my thing to do my thing with next year but if I do it in Eplaya camp I feel pretty confidant you'll get the spot you want. I have, according to various org types, a good reputation for delivering what was promised, cleaning up, being very organised, and most importantly, not giving them any attitudde along the way. Even if I don't throw in with y'all I can help with suggestions on the process of getting your spot.

power is someone gonna provide it?

drinks you're on the right track. What we did that was totally fire and forget was get a couple of the 5 gallon, gatorade type dispensor thingies you see at sporting events. 10 minutes of labor for the mixing allows you to serve hassle free for hours. Just gotta make sure you are clear on your proportions cuz it's hard to fine tune when your working with that scale

structure you can save a tremendous amount of weight and cost by working with steel cable. Use 4x4s as posts and attach and anchor everything else with cable. Lightweight, easy to do, and very elegant. No saggy, flappy tarps.

missing the MnG I hear ya BH. I have yet to make one

My $.02
Esplanade Greased wheels run much smoother, and Good Will is an excellent lubricant. If Stuart can convice the PtB that we are serious and responsible, it would really be nice to get on the front row. Even a row or two back near the Center Camp would be nice, but lets shoot for the front row. I am very much into Leave No Trace, so I am more than willing to make sure that this place is left spotless ASAP. Count me in on that.
Power I'm thinking solar, with low power LED lighting, and maybe a generator for the DJ (Sandwichman? Wadda' ya' say) and the live bands. I would want to leave a generator just for that, for both esthetic and environmental reasons. Any suggestions out there?
Drinks Bingo! (my word of the day) Premixed in large jugs or containers. Two types, period, with maybe boxed wine. If we know someone who can buy the cheapest shit possible in bulk, so much the better. Then, also, the regulars (you know who you are, you alkies) can bring their own and dispense their own.
Structure Again, Stuart is right on. We have to figure on seventy mile per hour winds, even if they don't blow that hard. I had a parachute up this last Burn that didn't even budge in the winds we had because I had good anchors and strong rope. Cable is the best, and we can look to see what we can get.
Name Tags One thing that got me at the Meet N' Greet was that I didn't know a single fucking soul when I first walked up... then someone (maybe me? Dunno') started screaming out "Nametags! Nametags!) and withing a half hour, everyone had one. Let's see if we can set that up ahead of time this year.
Art We're a fucking art community, people. Let's make some art to hang in the bar and place in front of the door. No 'curator' but consensus. I think a nude painting of me above the bar would look good, and have the added effect of keeping the yahoo's away... Actually, it would probably keep most of you away as well... hmmm... lets rethink this....
Meet N' Greet Doc Pyro's meet and greet is great! I really enjoyed the Barbie Death Camp and Wine Bistro. I want to do it again this year. Great fun! I see the bar as an on going meet and greet... with rotating shifts. You may always meet someone there from the eplaya.
Avatars It would be nice to have an avatar board, too.... with your name and one, or more, of your avatars posted above it. It would be a nice decoration.

Okay... let's hear back from y'all....

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:05 pm

If you go with DJs and live bands you will get pushed out to the boom boom zone. Basically the last hour on the esplanade. Ear plugs will be a must. In order to get your esp. spot you will need to have visual impact or a high degree of interactivity or both. Solar will not get you your nighttime visual impact (unless it's a lot of solar, and thus a lot of money) and just setting up a bar will not get you any kind of special interactivity. I can deliver both but I need to do a lot of soul searching over the next several months so it's best not to rely on me for your 'weenie on a stick' as we say in the theme park biz.

Cable is cheap. Can be cheaper than rope and has the advantage of not being stretchable. A 250' spool of stainless 1000lb test cable is, if memory serves, around 60 bucks. I had essentially a 50'x9' sail and only had one post give me any issues in the nasties of '04.

this whole pig, minus the screens, is just 6 4x4s and about 200 bucks in cable gear. Very, very rigid. Look to the camp chair in front to the right for scale.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:06 pm

stuart wrote:O.K. many responses

now, on to the business at hand

power is someone gonna provide it?

How much power do you think we'll need? I mean I'm sure I can come up with a small generator, but if you want me to bring that 40k watt turbo desiel sitting out back... just kidding. With power we are going to have to have a bunch of gasoline too. Hmm...

Regyna, bring the wine... heck being where you are at you can only come up with a case or two? I guess it is kind of late. If it were only a couple of months ago we could have raided some of those vineyards, eh? =)

gigglesnort · Post by **gigglesnort** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:09 pm

samtzu wrote:Avatars It would be nice to have an avatar board, too.... with your name and one, or more, of your avatars posted above it. It would be a nice decoration.

So, an idea I had for an art project was to make an avatar totem pole, with Tisha on top, of course, and little ole me way down on the bottom.....I'd need input with the rest of hte pecking order, though. (or do you think this would be too incendiary? :evil: )

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:11 pm

if you want audio et al, a minimum of 2500 watts.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:16 pm

tisha2 wrote:...and if Sensei delivers anything even resembling that sign he *made*, i'm in for sure.

Naah, no pressure here... Look, Sensei is more autistic than artistic, but something a bit more two (2) dimensional (than the original in Paris) is possible...

Ok, I'm up for the sign.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:23 pm

stuart wrote:
Esplanade I have not had a problem getting it. I am casting about for my thing to do my thing with next year but if I do it in Eplaya camp I feel pretty confidant you'll get the spot you want. I have, according to various org types, a good reputation for delivering what was promised, cleaning up, being very organised, and most importantly, not giving them any attitudde along the way. Even if I don't throw in with y'all I can help with suggestions on the process of getting your spot.

It seems to me we could end up with a reasonably large camp. How much space do you figure we are we going to need?

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:25 pm

gigglesnort wrote:
samtzu wrote:Avatars It would be nice to have an avatar board, too.... with your name and one, or more, of your avatars posted above it. It would be a nice decoration.
So, an idea I had for an art project was to make an avatar totem pole, with Tisha on top, of course, and little ole me way down on the bottom.....I'd need input with the rest of hte pecking order, though. (or do you think this would be too incendiary? )

That's it!!
That is absolutely perfect, Giggle! Let us all know what you need to do that and we can all contribute!

... well, except for body parts.... Woodrow is staying right where he is, thank you....

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:32 pm

Shit! guys this really looks like it's gonna be fun. worse, so far it looks like it's really gonna happen. I know it's a long way aways but this genuinely looks like it's really gonna be the best thing on the playa.

I'm gettin those chills. That special feelin chills.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:33 pm

I'll bring the Jaeger

Eplaya Camp 2005

mixology

Re: mixology