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Post by helitack » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:12 pm

Force wrote: And I have women freinds who confirm that yes, women can be like this, in fact, one said "I wouldn't give you 5 cents for a woman's freindship."
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Post by GuinivereElise » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:14 pm

Force wrote:Ok, true, I should have worded it better, didn't mean to imply that all women are like that, obviously that's stupid.

I have worked in a number of different offices where the women vastly outnumber the men, and I've seen the same behavior over and over again, to a greater or lesser extent.

And I have women freinds who confirm that yes, women can be like this, in fact, one said "I wouldn't give you 5 cents for a woman's freindship."

This is not to say that men also don't engage in behavior just as bad or worse. Again, you need to parse the meaning out and not jump immediately on someone who points out that women do this, because it's real, and it's making my life fucking miserable, to the point where I've come home so angry that I wasn't in the mood to make love to my wife.

This company just happens to be the worst offender I've come across yet, and so I worded my warning to other men a bit stronger than I guess I should have.

I kind of assumed people are smart enough to read between the lines and understand I'm not saying all women are 100% carbon copies of each other.


Sorry if I offended you, I assumed that no one guilty of that behavior would relate it to themselves.
if it's so obviously stupid to make these generalizations, then why on earth should I have to read between your lines or parse the meaning out of anything you say. I resent that you imply that i am not 'smart enough' to do so. YOU should be smart enough to know that if you post something inflammatory, you are going to be jumped on. This is not about MY misunderstanding, but about YOU making a generalized statement, and finding that there are consequences for doing so.

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Post by Force » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:18 pm

Well, and of course the woman who said that is my best woman freind after my wife, and I wouldn't trade her freindship for a million bucks.

Again, you gotta read between the lines- obviously she wasn't saying all women are bad, she's saying the bad ones will exhibit these female tendencies whereas the good ones won't.

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Post by Rian Jackson » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:19 pm

force, the point is that the way you wrote your original post you posited that any time you work for a company of women, the results will be equal to your experienecs.

i used to work for a man who hated white people and women (although i had dreads so i was 'only half white'). i've worked for a lot of decent, upstanding men since then. i don't see a connection.

i'm sorry you are having such a shitty work spell, but you might need to reconsider your phrasing if you don't want to be radically misunderstood. because we ALL seem to have read you that way.

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Post by Force » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:21 pm

Yes, you're right, I should be more careful not to give you the chance to flaunt your moral superiority to me.

Come on, did you really think I meant that all women are vindictive vengeful beasts?

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Post by bullD » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:21 pm

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Post by tisha2 » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:22 pm

and i'm sure the trouble at work is all about these terrible man-hating women who ruin your life because of their irrational female tendencies and that it has nothing to do with you individually. it MUST be that they just hate men, because you obviously have a brilliant way with women.
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Post by bullD » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:23 pm

that would be his bed-side-manner,,,

nothing brilliant here..

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Post by GuinivereElise » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:24 pm

again, a great big fuckoff to you, force. this isn't about ME. This is about YOU.


YOUR apparent inability to properly phrase yourself.

YOUR apparent inability to say what you mean.

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Post by Rian Jackson » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:26 pm

Force wrote:Yes, you're right, I should be more careful not to give you the chance to flaunt your moral superiority to me.

Come on, did you really think I meant that all women are vindictive vengeful beasts?
didn't you just contradict the spirit of your first statement with your second.

wow, that was well done.

*guffaw*

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Post by tisha2 » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:27 pm

Force wrote:Yes, you're right, I should be more careful not to give you the chance to flaunt your moral superiority to me.

Come on, did you really think I meant that all women are vindictive vengeful beasts?
well...how does it sound the other way?
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Post by Force » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:28 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:force, the point is that the way you wrote your original post you posited that any time you work for a company of women, the results will be equal to your experienecs.
No, actually, anyone with common sense is going to see that a female majority in the executive level will not equal a bad experience 100% of the time.

Sorry, but I still feel that you're just flaunting your moral superiority by jumping on me for not wording my post exactly politically correctly.

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Post by tisha2 » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:30 pm

dude!

you said: "MORAL: NEVER WORK FOR A COMPANY RUN BY WOMEN."


how that can be taken RIGHT?
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Post by stuart » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:31 pm

the bad ones will exhibit these female tendencies whereas the good ones won't.

case closed
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Post by Force » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:32 pm

tisha2 wrote:
Force wrote:Yes, you're right, I should be more careful not to give you the chance to flaunt your moral superiority to me.

Come on, did you really think I meant that all women are vindictive vengeful beasts?
well...how does it sound the other way?
NEVER join a company run by men unless you're prepared to bear the brunt of all the anger and resentment that men have towards women for years of oppression, discrimination and/or not desiring them despite the fact that they may be hundreds of pounds overweight, abrasive, obnoxious, stupid, etc.
:D
It sounds like something that does happen out there in the business world. I obviously woudn't assume it happens in every male-run business, but I would be stupid to assume the poster meant that it does.

Hence my position that you're attacking on the political correctedness issue since you know you can't win on the issue of stating that women never do that.

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Post by Ranger Genius » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:32 pm

NEVER join a company run by women unless you're prepared to bear the brunt of all the anger and resentment that women have towards men for years of oppression, discrimination and/or not desiring them despite the fact that they may be hundreds of pounds overweight, abrasive, obnoxious, stupid, etc.
That statement sure doesn't leave a whole lot of room for interpretation. The emphasis on NEVER especially says to me that it was meant as a generalization. Maybe they're punishing you not because you're a man and they are man haters, but because you're an incompetent chauvinist who suspects every assertive woman (especially an unattractive one) of being the vagina dentata.
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Post by tisha2 » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:33 pm

c'mon, stu... "female tendencies" ???
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Post by Rian Jackson » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:34 pm

i don't give a shit about your political correctness.

and force, this is me being nice, kind, gentle, and understanding.
just wait until you really push a hot button issue for me.

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Post by Force » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:35 pm

I've already admitted that the wording wasn't perfect, so why are we still arguing?

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Post by stuart » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:35 pm

that was my point

the stament can be parsed such

women good if not acting female
women bad if acting female
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Post by Force » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:37 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:i don't give a shit about your political correctness.

and force, this is me being nice, kind, gentle, and understanding.
just wait until you really push a hot button issue for me.
Oh really?

Then since I've already admitted the wording was bad and explained what I actually meant, what is your issue with me then?

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Post by Force » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:41 pm

stuart wrote:that was my point

the stament can be parsed such

women good if not acting female
women bad if acting female
Or it can be parsed such;

bad women will exhibit negative female tendencies
bad men will exhibit negative male tendencies
good men will exhibit positive female tendencies
good women will exhibit positive female tendencies

Maybe you should get off your high horse so we could have a discussion, though I know it's more fun for you to feel superior.

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Post by Rian Jackson » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:42 pm

because, force, you kept saying, on one hand, that it was a matter of wording, and then kept restating your original premise on the other.

if you didn't mean what we are reading, just say so and be done with it yourself.

fine, you can't write for shit. neither can i. but if you want it over it's not hard to do. i suggest you do it without insulting the women on this board.

do as you will.

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Post by Force » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:43 pm

Force wrote:
stuart wrote:that was my point

the stament can be parsed such

women good if not acting female
women bad if acting female
Or it can be parsed such;

bad women will exhibit negative female tendencies
bad men will exhibit negative male tendencies
good men will exhibit positive male tendencies
good women will exhibit positive female tendencies

Maybe you should get off your high horse so we could have a discussion, though I know it's more fun for you to feel superior.
oops, dang lack of edit.

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Post by GuinivereElise » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:45 pm

Force wrote:
Rian Jackson wrote:force, the point is that the way you wrote your original post you posited that any time you work for a company of women, the results will be equal to your experienecs.
No, actually, anyone with common sense is going to see that a female majority in the executive level will not equal a bad experience 100% of the time.

Sorry, but I still feel that you're just flaunting your moral superiority by jumping on me for not wording my post exactly politically correctly.
I refuse to allow you to assert that it is OUR fault for misreading you or not using common sense.

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Post by Force » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:45 pm

And my original premise (which you didn't state what your perception was, so it's hard for me to discuss) that women could discriminate is far-fetched because why, exactly?

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Post by stuart » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:46 pm

the bad ones will exhibit these female tendencies whereas the good ones won't



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Post by Force » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:49 pm

GuinivereElise wrote:
Force wrote:
Rian Jackson wrote:force, the point is that the way you wrote your original post you posited that any time you work for a company of women, the results will be equal to your experienecs.
No, actually, anyone with common sense is going to see that a female majority in the executive level will not equal a bad experience 100% of the time.

Sorry, but I still feel that you're just flaunting your moral superiority by jumping on me for not wording my post exactly politically correctly.

I refuse to allow you to assert that it is OUR fault for misreading you or not using common sense.
And it's unfair for me to expect the reader to not use common sense so as to not jump all over my case why?

Again, what exactly is the problem now that I've explained in excruciating detail what should have been self evident?

And for that matter, I didn't say that men would have a bad experience working for women 100% of the time, I stated that the possibility exists that it will occur.

I don't see how you can refute that, since anyone in the work world knows that to be true, whether their boss be male or female.

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Post by geekster » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:50 pm

Force, ANY group of any gender or of mixed gender can discriminate, which was the point in that tome I wrote above. I wouldn't say "women" so much as I would say a clique of women friends or something. You may have a million reasons for being bitter due to that particular situation but your choice of words used a fairly large brush to paint all companies in a bad light. That being said, I tend to get a bit nervous when there is any kind of common block of people in charge of the company. They could all be from the same church, all of the same gender, all the same ethnicity, all the same anything ... it causes people that do not share that trait to think they have no chance for advancement and will never really be an "insider" no matter how hard they work.
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Post by Rian Jackson » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:50 pm

Force wrote:And my original premise (which you didn't state what your perception was, so it's hard for me to discuss) that women could discriminate is far-fetched because why, exactly?
um, no one denied that women can discriminate.
we're plenty capable of it. every one of us.

oh, and i thought we were having a discussion. i was just trying to help you understand why you're upsetting people. i didn't realise i was feeling superior.

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