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Post by Ron » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:33 am

Das Bus wrote:....
So all you experts out there - what do you do when one person wants to be poly and the other one is scared/worried/unsure?.... )
Well, in the absence of expertise will being a blow hard do? ;)

My wife and I have been together since I was 14 and she was 18, around 23 years now. But we started out in a triad and have been non-monogamous for all about about two or three of those years, in the first 1/3 of our relationship. During that time she decided that poly would inevitably lead to heatache as she'd had three or four lovers of hers decide that they had to have her exclusively and forced her to make a choice between themselves and me. In my experience those who force choices lose, just so you know. But then there's the exception as well...

She told me I could have non-monogamy or be with her, my choice. I told her that I'd rather be with her than with my philosophy and so we made a run at monogamy. And I was awful at it. Over the next two years I did my best but ended up coming home and tearfully confession my latest indiscretion three or four times. I've got a compulsion for honesty and was learning that my preference for poly was more than a philosophical bent but closer to a issue of sexual wiring. Not only was I unwilling to consistently not have sex when the opportunities presented themselves, but when I would turn it down I got no satisfaction from doing so. I was miserable when I didn't play with others, and guilt ridden and miserable when I did. Bad spot for Ron to be in.

Now my wife, for her part, found that these tearful confessions were a non-issue for her. She wasn't happy that I couldn't keep my dick in my pants, but as long as stds were addressed she didn't really care either. And thus began the first in a long series of compromises. She didn't want other lovers herself, but I could have them as long as certain rules were followed. Over the years not only has that list of rules gotten smaller, but she's back into having lovers as well. All that to say, if each of you would rather be together and dealing with the difference between you, than apart and not, then there's always hope.

In terms of your own jealousy and insecurity, there are folk in the poly community who never, "get over," those feelings. At heart they tend to lie in a fear of abandonment, of your lover finding someone better. One way to deal with that is to simply work on your existing relationship. Make it as good as it can be, and make it part of the environment that makes you and your partner the best versions of yourselves you can each be. Truly listen to each other, look out for each other, and be a full and positive *partner* to your lover. If you achieve this you'll know them in a way no one else can and attain a kind of relationship security that is wonderful.

After all if you're part of making your lover a better version of themselves, in your own unique way, why would they ever leave? And if you're more involved in their personal development than you are in maintaining the status quo, and the hypothetical "greener grass," comes along, being poly means they can sample it without having to give you up at all. This is powerful, IME.

But the heart of addressing insecurity lies in strengthening your relationship with both your lover and yourself. Make a relationship that works very well for both of you. Know and love yourself well enough to be sure that you're a better you than you were yesterday and that you'd be just fine all on your own. And find the commitment to personal development that says, "If you'd be better off without me, you should go. If I'd be better off without you, I should go. Now, let's find ways to be best for each other," and you'll discover an insulating blanket that will hold some warmth, on the coldest of jealous nights.

But, always, to your own self be true. If you'd be better of with a monogamous boy, get one. If you're better off wrestling with these issues while with this boy, roll up your sleeves. And listen to yourself more than anyone else.

Make sense, and helpful?

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Post by Das Bus » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:09 am

Thanks for your responses, it put things into a better prespective for me. Should we start an eTheraphy group? lol!

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Post by Xta_G » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:18 pm

Neat topic, folks.. thanks to Hugh for opening it up.

I've lived in a very short-term hinge (well-intentioned, but really, how secure and functionally communicative can you expect 17-19yr olds to be?), played in a very brief poly-whatevertheshortformforfriendlyloveis fling while travelling (hooked up with a straight boy while on the plane trip heading to the Gay Games, wound up playing with him and his gay friend, filling a desire they'd previously expressed to each other to find a woman to experiment with again...) .. and since then have generally managed to have crushes on folk that never get expressed, and have sex with friends who don't have that extra bit to become deep loves...

I feel polypotential.. and today (as we've just gotten into our Pride week here in Vancouver) I've decided that the label I most like is "pansexual"... I fall for people, not genders. I've been attracted to drag queens, trans males and femals, men and women, and people I couldn't tell and didn't care...

Thank goodness I live in Vancouver, where anything seems possible! (and, thank goodness I'm not in any relationship that restricts what exciting opportunities I may encounter on the playa!)

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Post by tisha2 » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:06 am

so.....i've just met a hot sweet man that i am quickly falling for. we met at a burning man-type party, so he's clearly open to stuff. i am not necessarily needing an 'open' relationship, but want to be able to make out with a few close friends at burningman and events like it...

how do i bring this up/introduce this, topic/idea to my new love...? without lessenng the intensity of what i am feeling for him?

and, yes...i'd be okay with him doing the same...with the same precedent that it wouldn't lessen the intensity of his feelings for me...
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Post by joel the ornery » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:58 am

tisha, i haven't a clue... but i'm good for a hug when we meet.

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Post by Ron » Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:44 am

Xta_G wrote:...'ve decided that the label I most like is "pansexual"... I fall for people, not genders. ...X.
Take the label that works for you and own it. But just so you know, folk into animals often refer to themselves a "pansexual," as well. :)

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Post by Ron » Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:54 am

tisha2 wrote:....
how do i bring this up/introduce this, topic/idea to my new love...?
The same way you have those difficult discussions about safer sex, sexual history, sexual preferences, and all those other potentially embarrassing conversations that you need to have in the start of a new relaionship. You just open your mouth and spit out the words. :)

For myself I've got a second date/first sex rule for all those conversations. On the second date (or before our first sex, which ever comes first) if it's apparent that we're sharing a sexual attraction, then I start the talks. It is hard to get going but once the words start to flow you'll be surprised how easy and refreshing it can be. And, IME, new lovers are often relieved to have someone initiate these discussions, rather than just leaving things unsaid as seems to be many folks standard operating procedure.

"OK, I just want to make some things clear. I'm way attracted to you, and I get the impression you reciprocate those feelings, yes? (insert firm agreement here) That's great, here's some things I need to talk to you about. Condoms, honesty, expectations, play style and monogamy...." And away you go....


tisha2 wrote:....without lessenng the intensity of what i am feeling for him?
That's up to you. I'm an intellectual lover so these conversations tend to increase the intensity of my feelings. A woman who knows what she wants, can ask for it, and can hear me do the same is three kinds of sexy in my world. The only way it would lessen the intensity of my feelings is if she was monogamous, sexually straight/into unprotected sex, or otherwise required things that I couldn't offer and if those kind of things are true I'd much rather know earlier rather than later in the cycle.

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Post by tisha2 » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:29 pm

Ron wrote: Helpful?

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very!!!! i really like the sample sentence....that's perfect!
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Post by cowboyangel » Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:18 pm

you could,on the other hand, become a nun in the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.
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Post by PurpleKoosh » Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:08 pm

lurker wrote:I would think, to actually constitute polyamory, all partners must be aware of all others and consent to the nature of the relationship.
A situation where all partners are NOT aware of all others is also known as cheating.

Okay, there are people out there who practice "don't ask, don't tell" poly - but the idea makes me itch, and I won't get involved with someone on a DADT basis. You don't have to be my husband's best friend, but I should be able to go out to dinner with both of you and not be completely panic-stricken the first time I go to the bathroom and leave you alone. (My ex never seemed to understand that...one of the myriad reasons it's probably just as well he's my ex, now.)
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Post by Xta_G » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:51 am

Ron wrote:
Xta_G wrote:...'ve decided that the label I most like is "pansexual"... I fall for people, not genders. ...X.
Take the label that works for you and own it. But just so you know, folk into animals often refer to themselves a "pansexual," as well. :)

Ron
Ahh... good point. I was wondering about that a bit, actually.. and decided that I could say I liked trees, too... not so much about animals, actually. Is there a sub-genre label you might suggest I try on for size?

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Post by joel the ornery » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:23 am

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Xta_G wrote:...'ve decided that the label I most like is "pansexual"... I fall for people, not genders. ...X.
Take the label that works for you and own it. But just so you know, folk into animals often refer to themselves a "pansexual," as well. :)
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Ahh... good point. I was wondering about that a bit, actually.. and decided that I could say I liked trees, too... not so much about animals, actually. Is there a sub-genre label you might suggest I try on for size?
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X... i know that wasn't meant to read as dirty as i read it.

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Post by Ron » Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:25 am

Xta_G wrote:...
Ahh... good point. I was wondering about that a bit, actually.. and decided that I could say I liked trees, too... not so much about animals, actually. Is there a sub-genre label you might suggest I try on for size?

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It's up to you entirely. :) But if you're trying to express the meaning that folk's personality is more important to your attraction than their gender good ol' bisexual might be good enough? Whatever you decide, I'll use. :)

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Post by Xta_G » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:55 pm

Bisexual doesn't feel right, because with all the genderqueer folk around, I want to recognize that people don't necessarily fit into one of only two molds. Bi implies male and female, no other options. I *like* some of those other options! So... bi doesn't fit.

And Joel, I certainly meant that to be dirty.. c'mon, what do you take me for, a virgin or something? <grin>

(wait.. I wonder what sort of dirty he was reading from which part of my reply... hmmm!) :)

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Post by Ron » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:17 pm

Xta_G wrote:Bisexual doesn't feel right, because with all the genderqueer folk around, I want to recognize that people don't necessarily fit into one of only two molds. Bi implies male and female, no other options. I *like* some of those other options! So... bi doesn't fit....
Using the same reasoning a friend of mine simply calls herself, "sexual." When asked her orientation she says, "yes."

Don't know if it works for you or not, but I understand the reservations about bisexual...

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Post by Xta_G » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:09 pm

I like that!

What are you? "Sexual"..

No, really, but what do you prefer? "The people that I like..."

:)

Works for me! Thanks Ron!

(heh, and on low-hormone days.. What are you? "Not interested.")

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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:15 am

Me, I'm a potsexual. And a doubleboiler sexual. Pan sexuality is soooo last year.
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Post by PurpleKoosh » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:33 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Me, I'm a potsexual.
Once you've gone black...?
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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:47 pm

PurpleKoosh wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Me, I'm a potsexual.
Once you've gone black...?
You'll be cozying up to the kettle in no time!


A very pretty kettle of fish.
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Post by cowboyangel » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:39 pm

I'm just polyunusual...arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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