NO BABY WIPES IN THE JOTS - POSTER ART

[Zhust]

I think her point is that the target audience might ask that very question. Being that you didn't get that, I have to wonder, what is the purpose of your sign?

Thanks for your insight on this.

The assumption that I didn't realize I had was that I was thinking that people would be standing in line at the porta-potties rather than isolated, and that the signs would be put outside (although inside would just delay the discussion), so when someone asks, "what are the 10 Principles?", or "who is Larry Harvey?" then there is someone to answer their question. Another assumption was that people have plenty of time to read, and I assumed that the audience I was dealing with was smart enough to make conscious decisions -- whereas imperatives ("don't put anything but ...") give orders without reason, I was simply stating consequences of actions that I believe are entirely true.

The point is to target people who try to do good things but when they see a privy full of cups, they just figure it's okay to add theirs. Maybe they figure it's just like a flush-toilet and you can put anything in there that they can at home. By suggesting they -- we -- will be forever known for ruining the day of some guy working for Johnny on the Spot who's going to be shoulder-deep in a shit-pipe trying to fish out a chicken drumstick may make someone understand better. For instance, if they thought the potties were dumped somehow through a large aperture, then it really wouldn't matter what you put in there.

Hmm ... that said, maybe that's the biggest issue: that people don't understand the process. If you think the bottom of the pottie gets disconnected and dumped, then it's like a trashcan. If you think there's a large hole (i.e. 12-inches) that's opened, then pretty much anything smaller than that is fine. If you realize they walk in the front door with a vacuum hose and suck out the waste through the toilet opening, then you (I believe -- even I don't remember for sure) probably have it right, and with that in mind, you'll probably make good decisions.

If someone can explain why my analysis is incorrect (other than "people are too stupid" which I simply don't believe) then please do so.

As a reminder to all, unless you are creating the signs yourself, and puting them up yourself as your art, the verbage must be able to fit on an 8.5" x 5.5" sheet at 36 point type. This limits the number of words.

I had further assumed that the author of a sign would be responsible for getting it printed -- that maybe someone would post suggestions about their own experience using various techniques, materials, and vendors. I had no idea it was a centralized effort -- I just figure if I think "it should be done", that it's my responsibility to do it.

[MikeVDS]

Yes I do agree that your sign would be more effective outside when there are lines. I had envisioned it inside where you'd read as you were sitting down. I do agree that giving the reasoning is a great way to get through to some people. With the mental images taken from reading yours, people might even realize why a bunch of babywipes could cause problems as well. I've heard people try to argue that they are the same thing as toilet paper.

From my woman loving perspective, the first one with the womans ass is still my favorite, though I could do without the text at the bottom.

[robbidobbs]

The assumption that I didn't realize I had was that I was thinking that people would be standing in line at the porta-potties

There are no lines or very minimal. JotS cured that phenomenon.

Another assumption was that people have plenty of time to read,

They have about about a second before they go into the unit.

and I assumed that the audience I was dealing with was smart enough to make conscious decisions

They're stoned.

Hmm ... that said, maybe that's the biggest issue: that people don't understand the process.

1/3 of my signs specifically address the process and that the hose is 3" in diameter.

If someone can explain why my analysis is incorrect (other than "people are too stupid" which I simply don't believe) then please do so.

You make too many assumptions. Read "All about participating in the pottie project" for the facts.

I had further assumed that the author of a sign would be responsible for getting it printed -- that maybe someone would post suggestions about their own experience using various techniques, materials, and vendors. I had no idea it was a centralized effort -- I just figure if I think "it should be done", that it's my responsibility to do it.

I'm the only one doing this full time. The rest are incidental and sporatic. They generally have no follow-up. It is by definition a community effort, so by all means go for it.

[geekster]

"I had envisioned it inside where you'd read as you were sitting down."

The pots aren't lit at night but the patrons are. Here is the potty procedure, if you have your wits about you and aren't too deep into the rabbit hole:

1. check that shoes are tied.
2. place bite valve in your mouth and LEAVE IT THERE until you exit the pot
3. open door and check for paper
4. check pot for "room" to accept your deposit if solid (guys don't worry too much about room for a liquid deposit if they remembered to tie their shoes BEFORE they went into the pot).
5. make deposit
6. clean up
7. check pot for any vital item that might have dropped in
8. exit pot
9. remove bite valve from mouth

[Zhust]

If someone can explain why my analysis is incorrect (other than "people are too stupid" which I simply don't believe) then please do so.

You make too many assumptions. Read "All about participating in the pottie project" for the facts.

Oh, ok. I didn't realize this was your project. I heard about it on ePlaya first and there's no mention of it in this thread -- I just thought it was a good idea.

However, you have repeatedly condemned me by represented your opinion as fact (i.e. "you make too many assumptions" rather than "I disagree with your assumptions"). I also dislike hypocrisy, especially when it's bracketed by judgment: you corrected every one of my assumptions with your own then declared that I make too many; this means you are making the same number, yet apparently it's okay for you to do so but not for me.

I don't like being treated like some kind of second-class citizen, so I won't be part of your project. Bye.

[MikeVDS]

you corrected every one of my assumptions with your own then declared that I make too many; this means you are making the same number, yet apparently it's okay for you to do so but not for me.

The difference here would be that hers error on the side of caution. Ever hear the saying, "Assume the worst, hope for the best"? If you assume the best, you might end up missing out on a large part of your target audience and do less good than you could have.

I don't like being treated like some kind of second-class citizen, so I won't be part of your project. Bye.

It's called constructive criticism. There were reasons that the sign could be better and they were pointed out to you. No one asked you not to use them, just gave you reasons they could be better. This project has actual goals, not just some art project, so the closer to reaching those goals, the better.

[robbidobbs]

Up until last year we've been in crisis mode. Real, serious, painfull, full on crisis because of bad behavior. My DPW job is to monitor the units daily, to check both inside and outside. To talk to the drivers, the manager and the owner regularly. I do know the facts. I assume the worse because it's been horribly bad. Apathy and ignorance are the enemies. This will be my 7th year doing this full time, from dawn til dusk, every day during the event. I intimately know the logistics, patterns, problems and community attitude. I spend a great deal of time dealing with shit so participants don't have to.

Christ, why do I have to defend myself?
Just shut the fuck up Jay. You've pissed me off enough.