First Camp Is An Eye Sore

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:09 am

the place is a mess.. what do you call it when you ask other to do and you don t?? the last two years it has looked a lot like a hobe camp.. it s an eye sore to the center camp approch... the hat can t get off his ass and get into the spirit of thing.. or is the first camp parking lot suppose to be an art display?

BigCock · Post by **BigCock** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:48 am

I can't comment on first camp having successfully avoided it all these years. But I hear you about Larry. He's nearly impossible to rap with, seems to have no creative juice. It's almost like he's coasting on his history and doesn't want to mess it up by saying anything new.

Oh well. He's a great speechwriter.

We're all doing what we can. Maybe you can raid the place with a big feather duster. Might be fun.

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:56 am

The First Camp eyesore is so easy to fix, especially with two weeks left to go! Just send out a quick JRS to the community and ask for a cool $40K to spruce things up. Come on, decoration for First Camp is art and you don't want to be accused of not supporting the arts! Besides with the prominent location of First Camp, Burners(TM) could see just what their hard earned donations paid for. Come on AG, just whip out another JRS and watch the coinz start rolling in!

The JRS: The Burning Man equivalent of owning slot machines in Vegas. For last minute fund raising and covering planning fiascos, it's hard to beat!

skygod · Post by **skygod** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:10 am

I sent em each 20 bucks.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:13 am

should the camp have to deal with placement?? and agree to clean as they go.. or just let the mess grow as the week progresses.. they could also park the cars in back and pretend to obay the non driving rule.. instead of the in your face they project now..

not asking for a white picket fence.. if you live that way at home it may be hard to change.. please ask earth guards for some advice.. a mess is not into the festive mode..

Post by **actiongrl** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:39 pm

Archantael, you're a piece of work.

So, I live in First Camp, so I'll answer for myself: I spend a month working up there to make the entire city buzz, so no indeed I guess I haven't done much to decorate my trailer I will be sleeping in when my work day is through (I'll be 7 months pregnant, don't ya know). I guess I thought I might be contributing in other ways.

Sorry.

I can say I definitely do NOT leave a mess and I help to try to make my camp welcoming to the many folks that come visit us this year (ever wondered what First Camp was for? It is many things: a staff office, a landing place for visiting politicians and other cooperators in Burning Man, a place to hold the daily senior staff meetings.... here's more info in the '05 afterburn report: http://afterburn.burningman.com/05/admin/firstcamp.html) And the front of our camp actually does have some nice interactive stuff - right there in our front yard is the Regional Info Center, the BRAF "Scrap Eden", and a fire barrel where you will sometimes find me when I'm not working.

PS Thanks to the thousands of JRS readers who have contributed to the amazing projects that Archantael so snidely refers to that have really nothing to do with the First Camp topic of this thread, btw.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:56 pm

actiongirl, first camp is a we thing.. so don't feel dumped on..

i'm ssaying: with wood piled in disarray and cars up the ass just don't belong at the grand enterance to center camp..

a little "we" power from your campmates and the hat would go a long way cutting down hillbillville

misfit · Post by **misfit** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:04 pm

>>>>first camp is a we thing<<<<<<

so what can we do to help.?....

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:13 pm

AG, an expectant mother to be would always be an exception to most rules, expectations, etc. The thread is about first camp and not you specifically.

But if First Camp is a place that hosts VIP's...one might think it could be a little more spiffy than what it's been the past couple of years. Having it look like the leftovers of the Rainbow Gathering parking area does not make for the best impression.

EB · Post by EB » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:29 pm

Yeah, I gotta side with AG on this one.

Who cares what First Camp looks like? I'm sure the store room where they keep the extra mouse ears at Disneyland could use a paint job, too.

Teo del Fuego · Post by **Teo del Fuego** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:30 pm

isn't this considered scraping the bottom of the barrell just to have something to bitch about? Seriously, shake your Defaultia demons loose man!

Post by **actiongrl** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:00 pm

well, i'll tell ya: the map of our camp has been redone this year and i think it's an imrpovement... and scrap eden is going to be amazing thanks to BRAF and a whole slew of awesome folks helping out - wait until you see it. But yes, indeed, even when i wasn't pregnant i lived in a trusty dusty trailer out there for the month i am on the desert. a few of us do.

we all do put our efforts in at first camp in various ways -- it's where we live on the playa, after all. i also build (yes, physical labor is involved) media mecca most years, although this year i'll not be doing so, of course. so i spend a good chunk of time in the sun slinging dusty stuff around to make our camp in any given year, and feel like between mecca and first camp i put in a good amount of sweat.

last year I put my "we" power into sorting and banding wood for 3 days for the bwb wood collection effort along with 8-10 other BWB volunteers. I love banding wood, as it turns out. It's really fun.

I will pass on the thoughts about the firewood and parking at our casita, though. Thanks for the feedback.

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:19 pm

Why do you care what anyones camp looks like? Even the nice ones would like like a pile of trash to many people.

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:33 pm

Hey. I've seen first camp. It's not as bad as some. Not to raise stink, but shill fuck out. For all the shit that goes on there (It's not just a place to live) its fine.

Plus - it's their camp. I keep my camp my way, they keep theirs their way. Fuck... Chill out. Quit being so snarky. If ya don't like the org or the event or the people who throw the thing, fucking don't go. Jeezusfuckingkeerist. all of this "The top of the org sucks, and I'm gonna be contra to them no matter what they do" is fucking Bullshit.

Damnit. I don't wanna side with anyone, but after you hear this "how fucking evil the org and the people putting it on" bullshit over and over and over and over and over it gets fucking OLD!!!!!!!

GET THE FUCK OVER IT. If ya don't like the event, fucking don't go. If you don't like the people putting it on fucking don't go. If you think some doing some part are criminal or stupid or are out to fucking harm you (jeezus!) then DON'T FUCKING GO!!!

QUit slamming everyone on the muthafucking board because they're on the muthafucking board. (Sorry, slipping into Oaklandese there). I'm fucking TIRED of it, I would think that most people are fucking TIRED of it, and it's so passe it's fucking STUPID.

And there. I said it. I'm not on the board. I don't like some of the primadonna attitudes that happen there, some who work there think their shit don't stink because they run a rinkydink part of a relatively small event. But FUCK, Give it a motherfucking BREAK.

Shit.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:34 pm

MikeVDS wrote:Why do you care what anyones camp looks like? Even the nice ones would like like a pile of trash to many people.

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my fun is from the dark side.. one of the funniest at burning man was: i came upon this camp that had trash from thee tents to the street.. the camper were all laying around tossing crap down as they went.. it s very hard for me to get off my moop mobile after sitting long.. and I fall over sometimes without my cane.. besides i m kind of a bent/spent old man

so i crawl off my trike, get my cane, grab the grabers, get a "big" bag out and go to work cleaning up there mess.. one of them said some thing and they all jumped up and cleaned up.. i think i pick up maybe two items of moop.. then they apologize for te mess..

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:39 pm

MikeVDS wrote:Why do you care what anyones camp looks like? Even the nice ones would like like a pile of trash to many people.

Mike, this isn't just any camp but a camp located on the Esplanade at the entrance to the keyhole. It's arguably one of the most visible pieces of real estate on the entire playa during the event. And if I remember the requirements for getting your theme camp on the playa correctly, there are certain slightly higher standards that come with being placed on the Esplanade to begin with.

So IMHO the crux of this complaint is people wanted First Camp to live up to the same guidelines they ask of others, and AG's post seems to indicate that what's being asked for is not that unreasonable. It's not like this camp is at 9:30 and Landfill....

Post by **actiongrl** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:29 pm

For what it's worth, I'm not promising there won't be a woodpile right where it was. Just said I'd pass it along. You do have to put it somewhere, and the flame that burns in the Keyhole fire cauldron, I believe, is fed by that there woodpile...so wouldn't' that make it Y'ALL's pile of wood, not just ours?

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:34 pm

actiongrl wrote:For what it's worth, I'm not promising there won't be a woodpile right where it was. Just said I'd pass it along. You do have to put it somewhere, and the flame that burns in the Keyhole fire cauldron, I believe, is fed by that there woodpile...so wouldn't' that make it Y'ALL's pile of wood, not just ours?

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tongue in cheek..... carbine foot print me lady.. now i will have plant another "bush"

Post by **actiongrl** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:35 pm

btw, that was merely "sarcasm". I don't literally mean it's anyone's problem but ours.
OK now back to work leaving in a week, gahhh!

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:32 pm

And if I remember the requirements for getting your theme camp on the playa correctly, there are certain slightly higher standards that come with being placed on the Esplanade to begin with.

I think most of the requirement is offering something useful to the event and having a "need" for being placed there. I've seen some really ugly camps up front.

Is it just a mess or are they leaving moop that could blow away around that the rest of us have to pick up? "Ugly" and "useful" is subjective but if they are mooping then maybe they do need a visit from the moopmobile.

Post by **mdmf007** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:22 pm

I didnt evem know where first camp was -

I thought it was another DPW site

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:24 pm

I didnt evem know where first camp was -

Me either. I'm just taking their word for it. Central seems like a good place for it though.

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:39 pm

Seven years and I never noticed it. Now if I can get my hands on fifty white cowboy hats, well, we'll see.

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:42 pm

mdmf007 wrote:I didnt evem know where first camp was -

I thought it was another DPW site

If ya know what to look for ya can't miss it!

If you're high up enough in the org you really can't miss it.

It's at 3:00 and A - has been for going on 3 years now.

Oh, you mean that *other* first camp Sorry... I thought you meant the real one! )grins(

bb

BigCock · Post by **BigCock** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:37 am

I love your rants BB. You're right on about the muthafuckin slammin, although I think there are more options than love it or leave it. Folks just need to keep from being disrespectful.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:29 pm

unjonharley wrote:not asking for a white picket fence..

Ahem... I built them about a hundred feet of picket fence out of barn wood one year when they needed skirting around the RVs to block the wind. Don't knock it.

Green Wood · Post by **Green Wood** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:33 pm

It's all your...

FAULT!

philosopher · Post by **philosopher** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:27 pm

Isn't First Camp the one with the big KICK ME sign?

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:39 pm

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I want to be the first to say: First Camp was the garden spot of the center camp.. Thank actiongrl for her hard work....

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:46 pm

I think you meant that actiongrl is the garden spot of Center Camp.

In any case, don't blame Andy, he just builds it, he doesn't decorate it.