How can you jam a GPS device and cell phones!

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 1:39 pm

and all types of Tracking devices that can be placed on a vehicle?

A II Z

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 1:44 pm

in cell phones and other devices that can track a vehicle or person that can be monitored by an individual's computor.

I would be nice to incapacitate it with out distroying it with the use of a magnetic eraser so I could find out who it belongs to later since it will have a code it such as a telephone number.

A II Z

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 1:49 pm

Are you asking how to do something illegal on the eplaya?

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 1:59 pm

Some of you, including you Bob, know a little about me so I won't go into details.

Its not illegal to place a tracking device on a vehicle in the state of Montana. All i want it to jam a CDMA/ GPS device within a 15' to 20' foot radius that's all. I don't want to destroy because it may be evidence or point me to an assailant!

A II Z

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 2:05 pm

You people can figure out anything because you are very intelligent group and I'm not asking you do something illegal.

A II Z

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 2:52 pm

For phones there's this: http://www.globalgadgetuk.com/Personal.htm

and this (supposedly the best):

http://www.netline.co.il/LP.htm

and this (would look good strapped to the Man if cell phone coverage were ever made available on the playa):

http://www.netline.co.il/VHP.htm

Afghani President Pervez Musharraf's recent escape from a remote controlled bomb supposedly due to a jamming device installed in his armored Mercedes. No indication of who makes the device and he's currently not returning my calls.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 2:59 pm

that's what love is all about!

thanks Bager!!!!!

A II Z

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 3:55 pm

You can always try one of these: http://www.primeportal.net/laws_rocket.htm

Not to be confused with Newton's Laws of Motion and rockets BTW.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 12:17 pm

I suppose if you tried to employ such a device for a legitimate purpose, you'd want to ensure other devices on your wrist, in your pocket, under the hood or dash of your own car, in the chest cavities of any passersby, etc. were immune to the effects of said device.

playasnake · Post by **playasnake** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 12:20 pm

try an EMP. worked in the matrix.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:50 pm

try an EMP.

Shouldn't even try that.

It might render the latte' machines in Center Camp inoperable.

Dr. Pyro · Post by **Dr. Pyro** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:56 pm

Perhaps A II Z, and a few other of us, who may rent RVs know that 1)they forbid their being brought to BRC and 2) have monitors on them for, if not that very purpose, ones just as Orwellian. Now candidly, I wouldn't want some stoned-out burner renting my RV and bringing it out to the desert only to have it get trashed (and yes, the omnipresence of playa dust does qualify as trashing a vehicle, unfortunately) and I must admit I am guilty as charged. So the question is, how can we keep the RV rental companies from tracking us to this otherwise forbidden destination?

The Doc

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:21 pm

So the question is, how can we keep the RV rental companies from tracking us to this otherwise forbidden destination?

For starters, consider renting from a RV company that doesn't care where you take the vehicle. El Monte RV rentals seems to be the most burner friendly in NorCal.

DangerMouse · Post by **DangerMouse** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:40 am

Jamming of GPS is pretty difficult from what I understand. Plus you'll also run the potential of messing up another person's nav equipment.

Maybe a tinfoil hat will work. It'd probably be easier to suppress the antennae on the GPS unit.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:08 am

Uh, don't you think that having the blip disappear from their supposed radar would make them more concerned about your use of their equipment, not less?

Tancorix · Post by **Tancorix** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:24 am

It's beyond the capabilities of many but you could always spoof the signals for GPS, and the portable cellular jammer that Badger linked to does work if you can get your hands on it. Good luck on buying it; getting Absinthe past customs is easier.

And anyone setting off an EMP on the playa would likely take out 75% of the vehicles on the playa due to fried e-proms, etc. Jamming cell signals is one thing but if you have to resort to stupid tricks like generating EMP's please stay home. The event doesn't need the Federal scrutiny an EMP would bring.

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:43 am

like generating EMP's please stay home.

Oh for fucks sake....never mind.

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:53 am

DangerMouse wrote: Maybe a tinfoil hat will work.

I have it on the best authority that that's strictly for microwaves from the government and unfriendly aliens.

Tancorix · Post by **Tancorix** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:18 am

Badger, regarding the EMP stuff, I'm sure it's happened out there long before I came along. But I dislike competition...I was thinking of trying out the Cellular/PCS/Wi-Fi and WI-Max jammers myself! Some of those EMP pulses wreak havoc with spectrum for hours or days and would mess up my tests!

DangerMouse · Post by **DangerMouse** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 1:17 pm

abeerinthemorning wrote:Uh, don't you think that having the blip disappear from their supposed radar would make them more concerned about your use of their equipment, not less?

Unless there is something specifically in the contract about tampering with said device (visibly at least), what can you do if their equipment fails/blows a fuse? As long as you bring it back to them on-time they really can't do anything about it now can they?

What you need to be careful of are those silly contracts that say something to the point of 'If you take this vehicle offroad the contract is null/void.' If you have problems and have to have it towed off the playa, or the Contessa rams it, then you're hozed insurance-wise.

A lot of rental car companies have offroad clauses (see non-paved road in most cases)...

DangerMouse · Post by **DangerMouse** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 1:20 pm

BlueBirdPoof wrote:
DangerMouse wrote: Maybe a tinfoil hat will work.
I have it on the best authority that that's strictly for microwaves from the government and unfriendly aliens.

Good thing my microwave is from Panasonic then eh?

But prease exprain afority.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:31 pm

Badger, I've check out those sites and they only list the UK as place were they are prohibited.

If they turn out to be prohibited in the states, I'll have to a more drastic approach. That's too bad because I know it will be encoded with a cell phone number I could have used to trace someone.

Tin foil party hats for aliens implantations and thought you were wearing them just as a playa costume!

A II Z

aforceforgood · Post by **aforceforgood** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 3:57 pm

You're overlooking the obvious, and more low-tech (at least at first glance) solutions-

a) removing it and putting it on grandma's car. That way, it looks like you're driving it around in the area you're supposed to be in, and really really slowly, to boot.

And unless grandma's a long-haul trucker, you'll save on mileage costs. Though having the odometer and the gps unit's mileage not match could cause a bit of a problem... the fact that it might transmit engine information might cause a bit of a problem too...

or

b) Or you could just pull the power cord... anyone know how long the battery backup might last?

or

c) smash it with a rock.

AuldAne · Post by **AuldAne** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:17 pm

Okay, I used to work with GPS units during my academic years, and although it never occurred to me to try and find a way to jam the signal...

Intentional interference
Intentional interference is another matter. The GPS satellite is at a medium orbit of 11,000 miles and transmits with a power of just one watt. The received power on the ground is 1 x 10-16 watt - one ten quadrillionth of a watt. A simple 5 watt noise jammer on the GPS frequency can kill the GPS signal to a range of 200 kilometers (120 miles). A jammer borne by a small weather balloon can kill GPS in an area 800 miles wide.

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0UB ... icle.jhtml

I believe that the correct frequencies to jam are 1575.42 MHz for military and 1227.6 MHZ for civilian.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/cgsic/meetin ... /faaad.pdf

http://www.aero.org/news/current/gpsSignal.html

Chai Guy · Post by **Chai Guy** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:18 pm

DangerMouse wrote:

Maybe a tinfoil hat will work.

a link on how to make one:
http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:57 pm

Those mind control beenies could become helpful during the intense Presidental Election Campaigns. I hear both parties will be hiring Mind control specialists to follow the Campaign trail and brain wash people in audience.

I hear they work quite will at BM meetings dimishing Larry's power!

I found a device attached to my vehicle a two years ago. I was connected to the rear lights or possibly the tank fuel pump (could have been a shut off device to disable the pump).

I left it on so I might meet whomever placed there. Had some very interesting encounters. Oil men it was (it was during bushes election campaign and I was writtings letters about Bushe's incompetance as a governor) They didn't like that. But up here the extractive industry are really dogs in wolf clothing.

Thnks for the advice everyone and keep them coming!

A II Z

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:30 pm

.....presumably one could jam GPS/cell/radio/alien transmissions with a Faraday cage, AKA an enclosure of fine metal mesh.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:17 pm

Sure, a Faraday cage would work. Problem is luring the offender into the cage.

Glowstick? Beer? A cell phone recharger?

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How can you jam a GPS device and cell phones!

How can you jam a GPS device and cell phones!

Recently, I heard about a device that is going to be placed

No not a the playa please!

Come on playa people!

with a little help from my Eplaya friends...

Not illegal!

Tossing a grenade into a basket for the kittens to play with

Jamming GPS

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