stupid theme camp pet tricks.

BAS · Post by **BAS** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:00 pm

I really do wish I could recall the conservative pundit who I got the idea from. The idea is the same as Malcolm X expressed when he said blacks should refer to each other as nigger (and apparently as doomed to failure), or when Americans in the Colonies started referring to themselves as "Yankees" (and, apparently, we have regressed beyond that). To separate it from the impact. The symbol is not the reality. The act is just burning a piece of fabric-- it, ultimately, does nothing beyond that. People need to be reminded of the difference between a symbol and a reality.

B.

ZaphodBurner · Post by **ZaphodBurner** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:18 pm

BAS wrote:I really do wish I could recall the conservative pundit who I got the idea from. The idea is the same as Malcolm X expressed when he said blacks should refer to each other as nigger (and apparently as doomed to failure), or when Americans in the Colonies started referring to themselves as "Yankees" (and, apparently, we have regressed beyond that). To separate it from the impact. The symbol is not the reality. The act is just burning a piece of fabric-- it, ultimately, does nothing beyond that. People need to be reminded of the difference between a symbol and a reality.

B.

Ultimately, I agree with you. It's not radically different than watching Ozzy Osbourne bust up a cross in 1982. Tomorrow, nobody will give a damn.

I remember my grandfather telling me about the first time he saw an American flag at Camp Lucky Strike after being liberated. More significant to him was seeing the Statue of Liberty when the ship filled with former POWs arrived in New York. Maybe we had to be there, but, it sure mattered to him.

He wouldn't have tried to stop anybody from burning a flag, though. He'd have simply turned around and walked away. Whatever message the other had attempted to convey, though, would have been lost because the person burning the flag, in nearly 100% likelihood, never suffered a fraction of what he did or even dreamed of seeing what he witnessed at KZ Mauthausen.

I guess it's really a matter of how effectively you want to make your point. If somebody just wants to piss off the right wing, I guess that'll do it, but the more it's done the less anybody will care. Then what?

-zb

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:57 am

wow.....all of this discourse as a result of a TYPO.....

i really meant FAG burning....

in an english sense, of course......smoke em' if you got em'

ZaphodBurner · Post by **ZaphodBurner** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:08 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:wow.....all of this discourse as a result of a TYPO.....
i really meant FAG burning....
in an english sense, of course......smoke em' if you got em'

LOL! The Man is a total fag anyway.

-zb

pinemom · Post by **pinemom** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:35 am

yup, a giant ciggerette that 50+K people all take a giant toke of!

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:48 pm

yes, actually, the man is gay, and paul was attempting a flaming reach around.....

BAS · Post by **BAS** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:28 am

ZaphodBurner wrote:
BAS wrote:I really do wish I could recall the conservative pundit who I got the idea from. The idea is the same as Malcolm X expressed when he said blacks should refer to each other as nigger (and apparently as doomed to failure), or when Americans in the Colonies started referring to themselves as "Yankees" (and, apparently, we have regressed beyond that). To separate it from the impact. The symbol is not the reality. The act is just burning a piece of fabric-- it, ultimately, does nothing beyond that. People need to be reminded of the difference between a symbol and a reality.

B.

Ultimately, I agree with you. It's not radically different than watching Ozzy Osbourne bust up a cross in 1982. Tomorrow, nobody will give a damn.

I remember my grandfather telling me about the first time he saw an American flag at Camp Lucky Strike after being liberated. More significant to him was seeing the Statue of Liberty when the ship filled with former POWs arrived in New York. Maybe we had to be there, but, it sure mattered to him.

He wouldn't have tried to stop anybody from burning a flag, though. He'd have simply turned around and walked away. Whatever message the other had attempted to convey, though, would have been lost because the person burning the flag, in nearly 100% likelihood, never suffered a fraction of what he did or even dreamed of seeing what he witnessed at KZ Mauthausen.

I guess it's really a matter of how effectively you want to make your point. If somebody just wants to piss off the right wing, I guess that'll do it, but the more it's done the less anybody will care. Then what?

-zb

Flag burning is, and actually always has been (in the US, at any rate) more of a non-issue which has been used as a distraction for the press and the public. The number of US citizens burning flags has always been very small. The threat of people burning flags, however, can be used to get a reaction from a disproportionately large segment of the population, and that reaction is then used to control them. Therefore, if no one cares about flag burning, one less "button" is available to be pushed. (Gay marriage is another non-issue-- after all the number of gays is something like 10 percent or less of society, and the number who want to get married is even less than that? And, ultimately, isn't their getting married between them and whatever supposedly all powerful being controls the universe? I really don't feel qualified to do a camp on that topic, though-- or at least much less qualified. It would take someone who is gay and/or licensed to perform marriages.)

I don't know if I am smart and/or clever enough to actually pull it off, but I hope to be able to pull it around to the topic of using non-issues to control the public.

B.

ZaphodBurner · Post by **ZaphodBurner** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:46 pm

BAS wrote:
ZaphodBurner wrote: I guess it's really a matter of how effectively you want to make your point. If somebody just wants to piss off the right wing, I guess that'll do it, but the more it's done the less anybody will care. Then what?

-zb
(...snipped for brevity...)

I don't know if I am smart and/or clever enough to actually pull it off, but I hope to be able to pull it around to the topic of using non-issues to control the public.
B.

Hmm. Provocative but interesting. I hope that if you decide to do it you're able to do so effectively because there's potentially a lot of fruit on that tree. Best of luck!

-zb

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:00 pm

Get a large drop clothe and some paintball guns, then shot the image of the flag onto the canvas.

Then burn it.

Call the piece "It's my right."

GREENPENIS · Post by **GREENPENIS** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:59 pm

If the base of man is gonna have all of the flags of the world on it, then then Ol' Glory has to be above all of them. That's just the rules folks.
http://www.usa-flag-site.org/etiquette-display.shtml

Maybe collecting a pile of old flags, or making a bunch of flags unusable would somehow be more acceptable. After all, burning it in a dignified manner leaves the technique open for interpretation, but that is what you are supposed to do with it anyhow. Burn it !!!

Barbie · Post by **Barbie** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:19 am

WE already figured this out last year...(no need to be burning any flags)
THE THEME IS MONKEYS MONKEYS MONKEYS AND DONKEY FUCKING....get it together people...(no need to get your panties all in a bunch)
DIDN'T you LOVE the MONKEYS this year???
OKAY THEN from now until 2012 its monkeys monkeys monkeys and donkey fucking
2012 is SAVE THE MAN

Barbie · Post by **Barbie** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:22 am

ohh and if you burn flags then burning man will get all KINDS of attention...

BAS · Post by **BAS** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:19 am

Wait a minute! Are the monkeys fucking the donkeys, the donkeys fucking the monkeys, people fucking the donkeys, or what? 'cause some of those combinations are probably illegal!

B.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:33 pm

this is why i love Burning Man....

It's the Most Delicious Hamburger, made from Sacred Cows...

CapSmashy · Post by **CapSmashy** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:15 am

Simon, would you like that burger with or without the Monkey Bacon?

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:27 am

I'll have a Sacred Cow Monkey Baconator with Donkey sauce, super-size it, and throw in an eight ball of Frosty Coke....

"oh wendy, you are so hot and juicy.....wear the pigtails...."

Vampira · Post by **Vampira** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:30 am

You could just have easy flame printed cloth you could safty pin to the flag.

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In no way I condone burning any flag, no matter what it means...I want to make it to heaven::Laughs my fat ass off::

brickmaster · Post by **brickmaster** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:16 am

I had the best idea. At least I thought I did. Then I typed it out and realised it was full of shit. Now its dead.

This is a better idea.

If I had far far to much money I'd bring over a chip van. It would drive around gifting out fish and chips. The End

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:52 am

BAS wrote:Wait a minute! Are the monkeys fucking the donkeys, the donkeys fucking the monkeys, people fucking the donkeys, or what? 'cause some of those combinations are probably illegal!

B.

In Nevada? I think they are actually required in some counties.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:16 pm

I hope those chips would be wrapped in English newspapers. I know. Couldn't happen, doesn't happen anymore. But htis is a fantasy?

I'd do a curry van. With "Turkey in the Straw."

stupid theme camp pet tricks.

Flag burning without really burning it