.. that focuses on passive acceptance rather than active participation to make things work better. in that regard ron's approach might actually be good, because its much easier to find a way to accept things rather than ruin everyone's good time.Dr. Pyro wrote:Gosh Ron, there's an interesting misconception...
Thanks for the kind words Doc, but in fairness to the others, our job is much easier. A hose, fitting, valve etc is either correct for the type of fuel or it isn't. Most of our decisions are based on established published standards. Our goal has always been to find a way to make it work rather than banning it. When I first brought El Diablo to the Playa, the PST came really close to banning it. They placed me by the trash fence. The figured that only a few people would be killed if something went wrong. After they saw it run and how it was built, they invited me to join the Performance Safety Team. They weren't able to give me any help or advise because no one had taken a fighter jet engine and made a flame effects device out it for the Playa before I did. I don't think I would be able to judge artistic qualities of the Mutant Vehicles without firm quidelines and in art there are no firm guidelines. Each call by nature must be somewhat subjective.Dr. Pyro wrote: With the exception of the people in the flame-approval department, who I would like to say do an excellent job in both acceptance and accountability to safety, the rest of these people seem to suffer from headupassrosis.
Why not say it is actually an old Lada, and by the time you got through beating all the sheet metal to shit, it came out looking like it does. "Yeah, it started out as a fine Russian sedan, and we were trying to make a Phoenix-like MV. We're just shitty metal workers. It doesn't look at all like a Lada, does it? Check out the fire, scarecrow. oooOOOoooo."Captain Goddammit wrote:Tieland ... it's a '70s Ford F250... I shouldn't have known that... but having said that, if it were up to me I'd give it a pass because of the extreme flame effects.
At night I'd rather see Tieland throwing fire than most other "real" mutant vehicles!
At first it didn't click which vehicle Tieland was until I read about the fire cannons. It's fucking hard to believe they turned it down and the fact that it was rejected just reinforces my belief that volunteers or not the DMV Haughties seriously need overhauled. Puns aside, it's just bullshit that we get barely gussied up golf carts running around that are clearly private transports and Tieland is forced to stay in camp without a chance of licensing? Again BULLSHIT.Dr. Pyro wrote:We did petition the DMV again and this morning got rejected, again. I tried to explain that two years ago we were required to take Tieland (with the fire effects) out onto the open playa because it was, and is, inheritantly unsafe to set something like that off in a tent city. We even had to retrofit the system, but luckily we had a welder with all of the proper equipment in camp. We did reapply for a night-only license (we don't set the fire cannon off during the day), but it was rejected. They suggested we tear the fire cannon apart and bring it out piece-meal; the thing (with just one cannister of propane) weighs over 700 pounds. That simply cannot be done. I thanked them for their time and attention, but I would say it's safe to say our fire cannon will never be seen on the playa ever again.
he signed itJRoyale wrote:
What we’re looking for a vehicle that have been mutated into something other then base vehicle....
Does the vehicle look more like Toyota pickup or a dragon, or cat or boat or whatever? The more it looks like a dragon and the less it looks like a pickup, the more likely it is to be licensed....
With night licenses, the same basic rules apply. There has to be something interesting to look at. This is usually accomplished with some sort of light or flame effect ..........
One thing we try avoid, to the best of our human abilities, is judging the artistic merit of a vehicle’s mutation. At the DMV, bad art is still art.
Also, we're introducing a new class of "historic" mutant vehicles this year. Which is more of your classic "art car" but is also a vehicle which has a long history at the event.
not sure if that applies... a friend told me you have had a run in with DMV before, but could not remember what it was about.JRoyale wrote:
...and want you to know that we can, and have, considered the past behavior of an owner when deciding whether or not to license a vehicle.
hmmm... i'm not seeing how name calling is what i was referring to. it was about...Ron wrote:Hmmmm. I'm not seeing how my pointing out that calling folk, 'nazi,' isn't likely to get them to listen to you...
which once again has proven to be an exercise in futility. if you still dont think so (ignoring the doc's feedback from them) then we look foreward to you engaging the dmv to prove us wrong.If we took a moment to understand that and considered things from the POV of the org, as well as from our own tired and work drained position, the odds of an actual conversation go way up, IME.
