What's a Palin

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:03 pm

Eric wrote:
littleflower wrote:funny, i always thought it was the democrats who got us into the vietnam war...
South Vietnam was created with the approval of the US in 1955 (without holding a democratic election, as they were supposed to by UN mandate)

Guess who was president? Eisenhower- and I don't think he was a Democrat.

The "insurgency" started pretty much right after that.

Yes, the war escalated under Kennedy & Johnson, but Nixon (oh, a Republican maybe?) is the one who spread it region wide (Laos, Cambodia) and undermined his own negotiators at the Paris conferences to increase his political power at home, extending the war for years beyond necessary, all because he wanted an unbeatable Republican majority to rule for as long as possible (many references on this, but Nixonland by Rick Perelstein is fantastic on the reasoning of this)

i did not excuse nixon's vietnam policy. but you do seem to be excusing kennedy ... and especially LBJ ... and that was my original point. the war started in 1965 and troop levels peaked in 1968. spin it however you like ...

Das Bus · Post by **Das Bus** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:03 pm

"I'm pro gun and Obama ain't gonna take our guns away. "

CA, Obama supports banning assalt weapons and concealed weapons.

I guess I am naive.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:07 pm

cowboyangel wrote:Das, you're totally naive if you think Palin wouldn't push for a total fundamentalist minded Supreme Court. Stevens will be replaced in the next administration. She couldn't answer "Charlie's" question as to what the fuck the Bush doctrine was. That you don't find that disturbing is itself disturbing.
The lady does aerial hunting of wolves which is cowardly and grossly inhumane, Do you really trust her to understand or have the ability to work with the financial crisis besetting the country? I don't. She would drill ANWAR and anybody who tries that is in for an environmental war. 3 months worth of oil ain't worth the cost. You belittle the impacts of her potential effect on the US in crisis without really understanding her gross lack of ability.
I'm pro gun and Obama ain't gonna take our guns away. That's pure bullshit. Shwarzenneger, a republican, is the only governor in the 50 states to ban .50 rifle ownership.
So who's taking away our guns?

you sure give the V.P. a lot of weight.....you think they really sway the pres, any pres, much? I don't........
Are you railing against her because you can't attack McCain as well?
I just don't get why the focus is on her........

I mean, Biden is a huge target, old guard corrupt senator, as dishonest and cheating as they come......

Of course, lets not discuss the messiah, BHO.......he can do no wrong, and, is not held to the same standards....after all, ridiculing him is not p.c.........or is it racist........seems he's held immune........

I think my only point is I don't see much balance in negativity.........

I distrust both, but, don't so much think the particulars of who shoots what from where, who prays where, citizenship, age, should be a one sided conversation.

Throw all the bums out..............I say start over..........

wonderphil · Post by **wonderphil** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:15 pm

betrdanevr wrote:
littleflower wrote:funny, i always thought it was the democrats who got us into the vietnam war...
"We should declare war on North Vietnam. . . .We could pave the whole country and put parking strips on it, and still be home by Christmas.
--Ronald Reagan, 1965"

Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ), as he took over the presidency after the death of Kennedy, did not consider Vietnam a priority and was more concerned with his "Great Society" and progressive social programs.[69] Johnson had a difficult time with American foreign policy makers, specifically Averill Harriman and Dean Acheson, who to Johnson's mind spoke a different language.[70] Particularly heated was the relationship between the new president and national security advisor McGeorge Bundy. Shortly after the assassination of Kennedy, when Bundy called LBJ on the phone, LBJ responded:

"Goddammit, Bundy. I've told you that when I want you I'll call you."[71]

Maybe Reagan was right in his statement we will never know. What we do know is that Johnsons on and off bombing, appeasement method did not work.

other funny quotes:

When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy."
- Attributed to General Tommy Franks

How do you tell a Communist? Well it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." -Ronald Reagan

"Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July but Democrats believe every day is April 15th." -Ronald Reagan

"Today's Democrat spends money like a drunken sailor. Only that's not fair to drunken sailors. At least they spend their own money." -Ronald Reagan

wonderphil · Post by **wonderphil** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:55 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:
"that is Sammy Davis Jr. Jr., He is my seeing eye bitch."

oh, phil, by the way, unless you can explain what my quote means, dont fucking laugh at it, you neo-con ass-wipe.

Can't help

, your words are funny, please explian it if you don't like me LMFAO at your words.

HO, HO, HO, HO, HO, you Obamanation HO --- and or the smelly substance that the ass-wipe wipes.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:34 pm

ygmir wrote:
I mean, Biden is a huge target, old guard corrupt senator, as dishonest and cheating as they come......

Facts please

wonderphil · Post by **wonderphil** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:08 pm

ygmir wrote:I agree.
No bail outs................let the market go where it will........no subsidies.......
minimum welfare..........
don't federally fund anything that can or should be done in the private sector........

It seems governments role was, at one time, meant to be minimalist.

now, so many, in so many ways, look to the gov. to provide any and all things in life.........protect us from ourselves...don't let anyone make us feel bad or hurt our widdle feelings..........but, let us say anything we want, as long as it's P.C..........tax the other guy...........give us the benefit of his work...........protect us from threats, foreign and domestic, but, don't hurt anyone when you do it............help people in different lands who won't help themselves, so, we can feel good about ourselves and that "we" helped, "we" care, even if "we" don't all agree. Do that through forced charity/taxation........

on and on........

I have to agree with most of what you say. However, I think it is ideal and may not work all that well in practice especially in such a huge company like AIG. I believe some not so free market ideas are necessary at times. For example many things in the financial system now appear to be broken because of the laissez-faire approach to appropiate regulation by the SEC. Several companies such as AIG have been allowed to be destroyed by short sellers ganging up on the company (the SEC did not enforce the "naked shorting rules already on the books and they got rid of the uptick rule). Now days with computer programs to figure out what is under attack and send instant sell orders to the market it is not fair to the majority of the common stockholders. This puts the whole capitalist system under attack which may cheer up the Marxists on the thread. Unfortunally these people are never happy, they do not even see the good side (from a marxist point of view). The government is confiscating - taking over the equity from the common stockholder.

CapSmashy · Post by **CapSmashy** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:10 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Facts please

He's an old guard Senator.

To even suggest he is not a corrupt bloated sack of shit is laughable. No one in DC politics gives a shit about anyone that is not writing them a check that has a lot of zeros at the end of it.

wonderphil · Post by **wonderphil** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:24 pm

CapSmashy wrote:Aside from everything else that makes Palin completely unqualified for the office, she has one concrete stance that has totally and completely cemented the deal against her for me.

If your 14 year old daughter were to be raped by your brother, Palin's only remark about it would be "Congratulations on your new neicegrandchild".

do you have a link for that that is not a obvious doctored obama trash talking site ? give me a liberal rag link like the NY Times

thanks in advance for being honest in your reply.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:28 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
ygmir wrote:
I mean, Biden is a huge target, old guard corrupt senator, as dishonest and cheating as they come......

Facts please

I stand by my statement, in that, I feel any senator gets and holds office through nefarious means...........I don't feel any of them are "good and pure" people...........both sides.........
I had an "IMHO" in the original draft, that, I guess I deleted.
If you're asking me to google Biden and then post links or extended text to support specific accusations, I'll not waste that time.
If I did that, his supporters will deny it, and, his detractors embrace it, and, it will change no ones mind anyway.....
I get frustrated at the posting of so much information about candidates that is either impertinent or not supportable.......and then, depending on your POV, it's embraced or tossed.......

I would challenge anyone to state that he, or any senator, has not been involved in corrupt actions, illegal activities, obfuscation, and outright lies........
I just don't think that's the case.........

I go back to my statement: "throw all the bums out and lets start over"......I have no sympathy for any of them.........

I just see, on boards of either political persuasion, and unfairness in accusation taking rumor or innuendo as fact........
I'd love to see both candidates held to the same light, and, judged the same.......
It so often is a matter of degrees:
"My person did it, but, not nearly as much or as bad as yours",
things like that.

I find the discussion here very interesting and stimulating, but, have no notion that any of it will change anyones mind.

I cringe when people get so personal and vitriolic in their attacks on each other, though.......

not that I think we should all hold hands and sing, I just think it doesn't need to be mean, degrading, or hurtful......

we have more in common than differences, IMHO.

wonderphil · Post by **wonderphil** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:33 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
ygmir wrote:
I mean, Biden is a huge target, old guard corrupt senator, as dishonest and cheating as they come......

Facts please

It is very funny to see you asking for facts from anyone after some of your past BS statements ROTFLMAO

wonderphil · Post by **wonderphil** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:13 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
littleflower wrote: one of my friends, an older obama supporter, remembered the hope he had for jimmy carter, and the disaster he was as a president.
On Tuesday, Five Republicans filed a Law Suite to end the BIPARTISAN investigation Sara's firing of the Public Safety Commissioner. None of the suitors are on the BIPARTISAN panel!

AIIZ

The Alaska legislature is out of session, the law suit wants the case to be considered by a non parttisian investigation not by a witch hunt.

You failed to say that the chair of the so called bipartisan inveatigation (witch hunt) is a obamanition supporting dumocrat. The dumocrat chair in Alasks is only a pawn.

Council members on Monday confirmed Sen. Kim Elton, D-Juneau, as the new chairman, and he said he'll be the one who signs the contract with the person hired to do the Monegan investigation.

The council tapped Anchorage Democratic Sen. Hollis French, a former state prosecutor, for the task of managing the contractor conducting the investigation.

http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/478090.html

IT IS A JUST ANOTHER WITCH HUNT by skum bags who could care less that the asshole that was fired deserved to be fired. These witch hunters are puppets on strings being controlled by the skum bags in the obamanation machine who fear power may be slipping from their greedy corrupt hands.

Post by **Elderberry** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:29 pm

Bill Maher has said that he thinks the majority of people in this country are too stupid to be governed. Reading some of the posts in this thread makes it easy to agree with him.

JK

wonderphil · Post by **wonderphil** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:49 am

jkisha wrote:Bill Maher has said that he thinks the majority of people in this country are too stupid to be governed. Reading some of the posts in this thread makes it easy to agree with him.

JK

I understand what you are saying John. I have given you every opportunity to declare that you are not a women hater and a left wing racist. You have not done so. So, I sadly have to conclude that you are in fact, a left wing racist and women hater. As such, you are not only stupid but VERY VERY STUPID and Bill Maher may be right about you. Please correct me if I am wrong.

help · Post by **help** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:58 am

I can't afford to vote for a democrat president with a democrat congress. Government is not your friend, regardless of what it leads you to believe. Rethink, Replace, Reduce. Republican.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:08 am

Das Bus wrote:"I'm pro gun and Obama ain't gonna take our guns away. "

CA, Obama supports banning assalt weapons and concealed weapons.

I guess I am naive.

Funny.
I asked the question and the answer was the opposite of that, though I urged them to make it a prominent part of the website.

Republicans always talk a good game and then do the opposite.
Many, many guns are legal now but only for the rich.
That's the real face of the republican party- do what the wealthy are comfortable with.

Why some democrats ignore their own people on weapons laws is beyond me.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:34 am

gyre wrote:
Das Bus wrote:"I'm pro gun and Obama ain't gonna take our guns away. "

CA, Obama supports banning assalt weapons and concealed weapons.

I guess I am naive.
Funny.
I asked the question and the answer was the opposite of that, though I urged them to make it a prominent part of the website.

Republicans always talk a good game and then do the opposite.
Many, many guns are legal now but only for the rich.
That's the real face of the republican party- do what the wealthy are comfortable with.

Why some democrats ignore their own people on weapons laws is beyond me.

Obamas stance on guns.. from rense.com

Obama On Gun Control - The Facts
By SCRIBE From Rumor Mill News
9-14-8

HERE ARE THE FACTS:

On the Second Amendment, Don't Believe Obama

The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for "sportsmen" or unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.

But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don't listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.

****Numbers in Brackets correspond to supporting evidence below****

FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia. ( 17 )

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate "assault weapons," but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen. ( 18 )

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry. ( 1 )

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban. ( 15 )

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting. ( 3 )

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition. ( 9 )

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership. ( 2 )

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities. ( 4 )

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense. ( 5 )

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration. ( 6 )

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws. ( 7 )

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and "research." ( 8 )

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America. ( 9 )

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them. ( 10 )

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military. ( 11 )

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines. ( 12 )

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping. ( 13 )

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods. ( 2 )

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers. ( 14 )

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.( 16 )

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns. ( 9 )

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.( 9 )

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21. ( 9 )

******

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r ... _call_vote_
cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in "Obama had greater role on liberal survey," Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/
roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar ... on-se.html)

5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.

6. "Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record." Obama '08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/20 ... amas_c.php)

7. "Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote," Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 60181.html)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.

9. "Obama and Gun Control," The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (<http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. "Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control," Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/ ... wards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, "Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action," February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog ... shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: "As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . ." (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urban ... nforcement.)

15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_ ... ontrol.htm
and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.

16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.

17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.

18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to:
http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:51 am

hey goathead, just because you want to get on the bus, doesnt mean she's not stupid, or at least, ill-informed.

Dum Ficke Gut

dumb fucks good.......think about it.....

anyway, sorry to be a sexist pig so early in the morning, but when an intelligent female burner posts something insightful, i will make a point of exclaiming it to be so.

now go spank that dense, but obviously fun woman.

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:15 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:anyway, sorry to be a sexist pig so early in the morning, but when an intelligent female burner posts something insightful, i will make a point of exclaiming it to be so.

awesome. simon, you crack me up.... you sure you won't run for pres? i might write you in anyhow.

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:50 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:hey goathead, just because you want to get on the bus, doesnt mean she's not stupid, or at least, ill-informed.

Hey simon, so is she stupid just because she has her own opinion, and it not the same as yours then?

Dum Ficke Gut

dumb fucks good.......think about it.....

Learn that in Pershning Co?
Think about it.

anyway, sorry to be a sexist pig so early in the morning, but when an intelligent female burner posts something insightful, i will make a point of exclaiming it to be so.

Translation= As long as they are one of MY Stepford wives. If they think like simon, sound like simon. Well, how can you not love yourself, Dum Ficke Gut.

now go spank that dense, but obviously fun woman.

So she is now dense also?

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Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:45 am

Das Bus wrote:"I'm pro gun and Obama ain't gonna take our guns away. "

CA, Obama supports banning assalt weapons and concealed weapons.

I guess I am naive.

You're a liar!

Post me some facts from his speeches or wittings!
I own guns and I don't believe that automatic assault should be available to the general public- period!
I don't believe that the NRA speaks for the common citizen, but the international weapons and mercenary industry!

AIIZ

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:27 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
Das Bus wrote:"I'm pro gun and Obama ain't gonna take our guns away. "

CA, Obama supports banning assalt weapons and concealed weapons.

I guess I am naive.
You're a liar!

Post me some facts from his speeches or wittings!
I own guns and I don't believe that automatic assault should be available to the general public- period!
I don't believe that the NRA speaks for the common citizen, but the international weapons and mercenary industry!

AIIZ

I don't see where she said anything about "automatic" weapons.
If you want some facts about his positions on firearms you might want to check out toolmakers list. Seems like it is a fairly good list.

So why is she a liar?

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:23 am

Goathead, indeed, it is merely my opinion, based on my own bias, of whether or not Das Bus is ill-informed or otherwise...

and, as you obviously know a little about me, you'll also know i wont touch the whole gun issue as i am a firm believer in RTBA, and also a partisan democrat.

as far as my stepford wives are concerned, well, neural implants do go a long way to preventing the usual PMS bullshit, i agree, but they still have an uppity feature you can set in the preferences.

and yes, while i spent some time in Pershing County, LeibeLock, actually, i did brush up on my German......

while in Rome, N'est-ce pas?

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:39 am

wonderphil wrote: I understand what you are saying John. I have given you every opportunity to declare that you are not a women hater and a left wing racist. You have not done so. So, I sadly have to conclude that you are in fact, a left wing racist and women hater. As such, you are not only stupid but VERY VERY STUPID and Bill Maher may be right about you. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Spend some time on one or more of these NONPARTISAN sites and I might be inclined to enter into a discourse with you:

http://www.factcheck.org
http://www.mediamatters.org
http://www.politifact.com

To name a few.

JK

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:51 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:Goathead, indeed, it is merely my opinion, based on my own bias, of whether or not Das Bus is ill-informed or otherwise...

Simon
Disagree with Das all you want, I respect honestly held opinions.
When you feel like diving into the black hole, of the blue sauna's, ripping people with, stupid, dense, just because they hold different views then you, feel free to take out the big spoon and have a nice big bite.

and, as you obviously know a little about me, you'll also know i wont touch the whole gun issue as i am a firm believer in RTBA, and also a partisan democrat.

Cool, be whatever you want to be. Personally I find things on both sides I agree with, and disagree with.

as far as my stepford wives are concerned, well, neural implants do go a long way to preventing the usual PMS bullshit, i agree, but they still have an uppity feature you can set in the preferences.

Hmmm, I have always found the preferences have never been labeled, or that they have the "roulette" feature where they are reset daily by default. Which version you running?

and yes, while i spent some time in Pershing County, LeibeLock, actually, i did brush up on my German......
while in Rome, N'est-ce pas?

Nope, have never been a guest, anywhere. I enjoy Cymraeg when killing time on grave yards though.

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Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:39 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
Das Bus wrote:"I'm pro gun and Obama ain't gonna take our guns away. "

CA, Obama supports banning assalt weapons and concealed weapons.

I guess I am naive.
You're a liar!

Post me some facts from his speeches or wittings!
I own guns and I don't believe that automatic assault should be available to the general public- period!
I don't believe that the NRA speaks for the common citizen, but the international weapons and mercenary industry!

AIIZ

I already posted his previous votes on gun issues. On his website he mentions a desire to bring back the Clinton ban and get rid of carry concealed weapon licenses.

I wonder why Obama doesn't want women to be able to defend themselves from rapists. Their response is to call 911 whenever you need help. You know.. the folks that arrive just in time to draw a chalk outline.

I wonder why Democrats are so opposed to the victims in Wash DC being able to defend themselves from the criminals that have almost fully taken over DC. Last time I was in DC the whole place was a crime ridden ghetto outside of a FEW small areas. DC finally gets a chance to give some power back to the people and the Dems decide to come out and support the criminals by saying only they can have guns.

Starting to look like McCain may win now that Barack Obama has let slip that he is anti-gun.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:25 pm

http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-emails

CONTACT LIST

Beth Leschper (Beth Leschper SOA) [Edit]
[email protected]
Blanche Kallstrom (Blanche) [Edit]
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Bristol Palin (Bristol) [Edit]
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Chuck Heath (Chuck) [Edit]
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[email protected] (Todd) [Edit]
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[email protected] (Frank) [Edit]
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Heather Bruce (Heather) [Edit]
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[email protected] (Ivy SOA) [Edit]
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[email protected] (Ivy Personal) [Edit]
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Judy Patrick (Judy Patrick) [Edit]
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[email protected] (Kris Perry SOA) [Edit]
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[email protected] (Kris Personal) [Edit]
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[email protected] (Molly) [Edit]
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Roseanne Hughes (Roseanne Hughes SOA) [Edit]
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Sally Heath (Mom) [Edit]
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Sean Parnell (Sean Personal) [Edit]
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Sharon Leighow (Sharon SOA) [Edit]
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[email protected] (Sharon Leighow Personal) [Edit]
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Track Palin (Track) [Edit]
[email protected]

* The emails to Ivy Frye, a Palin aide who's mentioned in the earlier email stories specifically wondering how best to hide her correspondence with the governor.
* The attached contact list (below) features an email address for husband Todd Palin that is legit. As well as an apparently genuine phone number for Bristol Palin and an address for Beth Leschper, Palin's deputy communications director.
* The email from Amy McCorkell, a known associate of Palin's from Wasilla who might have the governor's personal email address.
* Emails to and from Lt Governor Sean Parnell about a local radio talk host.
* Calls to the phone number listed for Bristol Palin apparently go to her voicemail.
* The public profile for the gov.palin address dates its last update to April of this yearâ€”well before she became McCain's running mate. So if it's a hoax, it's a hoax that began long before anyone outside of Alaska cared about Palin.
* We haven't seen these family photos before. Have we?
* The previously accessible public profiles for gov.sarah@yahoo and gov.palin@yahoo were both deleted at the same time.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:33 pm

Palin is keeping her spin doctors up nites with tidel wave of lies.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:39 pm

I already posted his previous votes on gun issues. On his website he mentions a desire to bring back the Clinton ban and get rid of carry concealed weapon licenses.

I didn't find this myself.
Can you show me where it is?

Most of the facts listed seem to be derived or deducted.(rense.com)
It is a bit hard to tell what is what without researching an entire life.
Is there any material that's easier to verify?

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goathead · Post by **goathead** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:39 pm

gyre wrote: * The emails to Ivy Frye, a Palin aide who's mentioned in the earlier email stories specifically wondering how best to hide her correspondence with the governor.
* The attached contact list (below) features an email address for husband Todd Palin that is legit. As well as an apparently genuine phone number for Bristol Palin and an address for Beth Leschper, Palin's deputy communications director.
* The email from Amy McCorkell, a known associate of Palin's from Wasilla who might have the governor's personal email address.
* Emails to and from Lt Governor Sean Parnell about a local radio talk host.
* Calls to the phone number listed for Bristol Palin apparently go to her voicemail.
* The public profile for the gov.palin address dates its last update to April of this yearâ€”well before she became McCain's running mate. So if it's a hoax, it's a hoax that began long before anyone outside of Alaska cared about Palin.
* We haven't seen these family photos before. Have we?
* The previously accessible public profiles for gov.sarah@yahoo and gov.palin@yahoo were both deleted at the same time.

So you approve of hacking some ones private e-mail account?
That should be right up there with warrant less wiretaps.