2012: The Last Burn

jackmack · Post by **jackmack** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:13 am

I heard a very serious rumor this year that 2012 will be the last burn.

Reasons: Too big, & it's deteriorating into something not what the founders wanted.

Sadly given the way it's going....I hope it comes to an end. It's becoming a big "scene" rather than sincere. 2012 would be a poetic way to quit the burn while it's ahead. Burning Man has done what it can... time for something new... completely unrelated.

Anyone else heard this rumor, can dispel this myth?

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:16 am

well....
the I Ching (sp?), Mayan (or Aztec) calendar, and, Hopi indian legend, all call for the world to end in 2012, I think others but can't remember.
so, if true, the rumor would make sense......

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:28 am

Not just a rumor, a VERY SERIOUS rumor!!!

jackmack · Post by **jackmack** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:37 am

..very believable... the person was almost glowing in front of my eyes and I KNEW this person had super-powerful insight... or maybe I was high.

Fire_Moose · Post by **Fire_Moose** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:38 am

It's not so much going to end, just change entirely....

December 12th or 21st 2012 is the end of the world.....not physically but that's when the reptilians are going to come out and begin eating everyone. So although there will be a BM in 2012, it is technically when the reptillian take over begins. And there will be more in the future...it'll just be more of a feast for them then a naked art fest...fucking Nibiru

jackmack · Post by **jackmack** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:45 am

god damnit!

hence... the whole "end of the world" prophecy is really the end of burning man... the beginning of a new age of human consciousness...

I think this is why they chose 2012 as the last burn. I mean 2010 wouldn't be so "amazing". Fuck I hope it ends in 2012.

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:18 am

I haven't heard such rumors, but I am far from an insider. However, your reasons for it ending don't make much sense to my way of thinking.

First, the size of the event can easily be controlled by the number of tickets they decided to sell.

Second, I am guessing that the event does make enough money to provide a decent living for the organizers; otherwise they wouldn't have begun selling tickets to begin with, nor would they allow the number of tickets sold to increase.

Once the event became "private" with "paid admission" it left the realm of some spontaneous 'gathering' and moved into the realm of the 'business' of creating a spontaneous gathering 'experience'; which I think they manage to do extremely well, and there is nothing wrong with that in the least.

But that is just my opinion, which is subject to change and often does.

jackmack · Post by **jackmack** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:23 am

...tickets are a understood necessity to cover "costs" with the event be it salary or land fees.... who cares I'm not a communist.

the point is... .the more people who show up... the less "intimate" it is. people are more afraid and less interested in connecting with one another.

people are more standoffish.... care more about dancing & art than personal growth and connecting with other people. the bigger it becomes the more "shit" comes too...the worse it gets... .i dont' think it's getting better even though I wish it would....

honeyfire · Post by **honeyfire** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:24 am

Nah, 2012 will the Rapture, when all the tightass "Because MY deity doesn't like it, that's why!" types will be sucked up into the sky to a fabulous eternity with their Main Man (and more enjoyment to 'em, i say!), leaving the earth to those of us who actually like to have a good time and then we'll be able to live in the fire every day, thus obviating the need to go out past Gerlach to get all wacky and pyrotechnical...

Not that i've run all this through the Mayan Precession Matrix or anything.
It's just a guess.

honeyfire · Post by **honeyfire** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 am

jackmack wrote:the point is... .the more people who show up... the less "intimate" it is. people are more afraid and less interested in connecting with one another. ...
the bigger it becomes the more "shit" comes too.

All true. It's just reeeeeeally tough to work out a way to keep it down to people who actually belong. Not the least difficulty being what constitutes "belong" and who gets to decide...

jackmack wrote:care more about dancing & art than personal growth.

You say that like it's bad thing.
Is personal growth more the point of the Burn than art?
Maybe for some people, yet not for others.
I was always under the impression that art was the center of it all, the grain around which the pearl was formed.
But it may not seem that way/work that way for everyone, and i have no problem with that.

And just by the way, connecting with other people is an inherent part of art.
No connection, no art (though possibly some superb craft).

jackmack · Post by **jackmack** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:48 am

ah ha!... NO...

ART is the bullshit excuse we all use to get together. it's the music in the jukebox & the neon signs on the wall... or the pool tables & park benches...

burning man is MUCH more than the aesthetics on the "surface".... of course it's an "ART" community. but everything we do is ART.... including the way we express our selves and be ourselves... and we can't be ourselves if we're not committed to self discovery...

burning man is not a big rave or art show... it's not a zoo. the art gallery down my street is ALL about art. burning man is about so much more...

...i state that as fact & opinion. and we need more people to recognize it as so! we need to cultivate a culture of inner growth and connectiveness. this is why as i understand it burning man is coming to an end....

[b]fuck the big sound camps! [/b]

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:59 am

Don't be sad...Everything Burns Out Eventually.....even those "trick" burning men, you know, the ones for birthday parties where it lights up, gets put out and then lights again.....

i digress.

if the mayan prophesies and edgar cayce and Jimbo, the homeless Guy are correct, there wont be a NEED for burning man after 2012 as the default world and the burning Man Reality INTERMINGLE and have babies.

so there you have it.....dont be afraid, surf that wave, but dont fuck up the playa.

jackmack · Post by **jackmack** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:18 pm

no fear... just really wondering if others have heard this rumor....

hell... i hope it ends so i can get that burning man RIP 2012 tattoo i've always wanted.

Marscrumbs · Post by **Marscrumbs** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:20 pm

...because we stop sacrificing the man that year. It's been predidcted.

jackmack · Post by **jackmack** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:24 pm

...because we stop sacrificing the man that year. It's been predidcted.

WTF????
you can't just say that and not explain. Give some details! What is the story behind your post?

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:16 pm

The last (final) year will always be better than the last (previous) year.

AmericanFremin1 · Post by **AmericanFremin1** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:55 pm

i hav heard that the lease (although reviewed every year by the BLM with the option to cancel) ends after the 2011 burn. reliable sources claim 2011 is the last year.

anyway, in 2012 we begin to enter hyper-space.....

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:44 pm

and, if the reptilians return and take over, we'll all need to learn to speak "Gorn"........

misfit · Post by **misfit** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:46 pm

>>>>>reliable sources claim 2011 is the last year<<<<<

i would love to hear who your reliable sources are......

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:43 pm

Since the OP's sources are so reliable, there's no need to mention them. Simple. Run rings around you logically.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:57 pm

judith miller at the ny times....

how reliable can you get?

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:09 pm

Fire_Moose wrote:...fucking Nibiru

Working the old gold mines again won't be so bad for humanity. No more economy worries and it will resolve the age old dilemma of corrupt politicians! No more energy worries either!

hsdavis · Post by **hsdavis** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:28 pm

I knew there was a reason I saved all this usless shit on my computor.

http://www.nv.blm.gov/Winnemucca/NEPA/b ... ingman.htm

Post by **AntiM** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:26 pm

Goood. Our evil plan to make them all think we're ending the event is working, the playa shall be ours, all ours! Excellent.

ibdave · Post by **ibdave** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:01 pm

jackmack wrote:I heard a very serious rumor this year that 2012 will be the last burn.

I heard a Very Serious Rumor that you don't know what your talking about.
But it's just a Rumor Right??

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:17 pm

wow!!!... then what shall the theme be for 2013?......

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:39 pm

thisisthatwhichis wrote:wow!!!... then what shall the theme be for 2013?...... 8)

Rebirth! But wrapped up in a bunch of larry harvey bullshit.

Post by **AntiM** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:45 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
thisisthatwhichis wrote:wow!!!... then what shall the theme be for 2013?......
Rebirth! But wrapped up in a bunch of larry harvey bullshit.

Is that something like bacon and can I get it by the pound?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:53 pm

AntiM wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:
thisisthatwhichis wrote:wow!!!... then what shall the theme be for 2013?...... 8)
Rebirth! But wrapped up in a bunch of larry harvey bullshit.
Is that something like bacon and can I get it by the pound?

You have to go to the right butcher. Back alley in San Francisco. $17 a pound, but oh so worth it.

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:53 pm

YES!!!!!!!!
That's IT!!!!!
The theme for 2013 shall be BACON FOR THE MASSES.... (And other pork products, so we are all inclusive)!!!!.........

2012: The Last Burn

2012: The Last Burn

I get to live in the fire most of the time, lucky me...

I'm not into dictating someone's Burn...

The end of the world will come...

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