What's a Palin

[ygmir]

Wait, did I say this already........politics is for suckers?


Cant remember.

you did, you did, you did..........

I guess it all depends whether you like oysters or snails, now, doesn't it, Spartacus?..........

[betrdanevr]

Yep. From what I've read, to run for president, one has to be thirty-five years of age and have been a resident of the U.S. for fourteen.

Now, THAT covers a lot of shit.

I prefer to be a little more discriminatory. . .

I'm pretty sure you have to be "natural born".......IE: born in the U.S. or it's sovereign territories.

I'm sure someone will google and post all the requirements.......

Yes, you're right of course. I forgot that very important detail!

[lurker]

Yep. From what I've read, to run for president, one has to be thirty-five years of age and have been a resident of the U.S. for fourteen.

Now, THAT covers a lot of shit.

I prefer to be a little more discriminatory. . .

oh, so now discrimination is okay?

[betrdanevr]

I should have known some argumentative soul could have a heyday with that word.

I'm of course using the second definition.

Quick definitions (discrimination)

â–¸ noun: unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice.
â–¸ noun: the cognitive process whereby two or more stimuli are distinguished

[DVD Burner]

Yep. From what I've read, to run for president, one has to be thirty-five years of age and have been a resident of the U.S. for fourteen.

Now, THAT covers a lot of shit.

I prefer to be a little more discriminatory. . .

oh, so now discrimination is okay?

I should have known some argumentative soul could have a heyday with that word.

I'm of course using the second definition.

Quick definitions (discrimination)

â–¸ noun: unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice.
â–¸ noun: the cognitive process whereby two or more stimuli are distinguished

Commentary: Sexist treatment of Palin must end



http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/24/ ... =hpmostpop


By Campbell Brown
CNN


Editor's Note: Campbell Brown anchors CNN's "Campbell Brown: Election Center" at 8 p.m. ET Mondays-Fridays. She delivered this commentary during the "Cutting through the Bull" segment of Tuesday night's broadcast.



NEW YORK (CNN) -- Frankly I have had it, and I know a lot of other women out there who are with me on this. I have had enough of the sexist treatment of Sarah Palin. It has to end.

She was in New York on Tuesday meeting with world leaders at the U.N. And what did the McCain campaign do?

They tried to ban reporters from covering those meetings. And they did ban reporters from asking Gov. Palin any questions.

I call upon the McCain campaign to stop treating Sarah Palin like she is a delicate flower who will wilt at any moment.

This woman is from Alaska for crying out loud. She is strong, she is tough, she is confident. And you claim she is ready to be one heartbeat away from the presidency. If that is the case, then end this chauvinistic treatment of her now. Allow her to show her stuff. Video Watch Brown call on the McCain campaign to 'Free Sarah Palin' »

Allow her to face down those pesky reporters just like Barack Obama did today, just like John McCain did today. Just like Joe Biden has done on numerous occasions. Let her have a real news conference with real questions.
By treating Sarah Palin differently from other candidates in this race, you are not showing her the respect she deserves.

Free Sarah Palin.

Free her from the chauvinistic chains you are binding her with.

Sexism in this campaign must come to an end. Sarah Palin has as much a right to be a real candidate in this race as the men do.
So let her act like one.

[DVD Burner]

BWWWWWAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

[gyre]

There is only one reason to keep the press away from a candidate.

They're afraid they will tell the truth.
And it's pretty obvious.

The handlers must think she's a total reagan.

[unjonharley]

There is only one reason to keep the press away from a candidate.

They're afraid they will tell the truth.
And it's pretty obvious.

The handlers must think she's a total reagan.

One can only hope she has a small foot. re: removal of

[Simon of the Playa]

republicans....

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[DVD Burner]

OK....OK.....


That shit was REALLY FUNNY!

And by the looks of the bass, it's a relatively recent video.

BWWWWWAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!


Oh GOD!

I didn't even have my sound on.

Those folk have no rhythm.

[Apollonaris Zeus]

the stuff Toolmaker posted is not hyperbole or distortion, or half truth.......
take from it what you will, but, it is accurate.....

Bullshit

Obama tries to end Gang violence and get the guns out of their hands, therefore he is anti-gun right.

Right!

NO! that is a form of misconstruing information to support misconceptions.

It's as good as lying!

If I were to stop illegal abortions by non-physicians, that makes me anti-women rights!

Associative inferences that's all!

Obama has said repeatively I'm not against the 2nd amendment and when I read Toolmakers post and his references, that's what I see!

If toolmakers wants to post something truthful then find a source that is not off the wall like that nut Jeff Rense!

AIIZ

[DVD Burner]

ooooooo kaayyyy.

[ygmir]

the stuff Toolmaker posted is not hyperbole or distortion, or half truth.......
take from it what you will, but, it is accurate.....

Bullshit

Obama tries to end Gang violence and get the guns out of their hands, therefore he is anti-gun right.

Right!

NO! that is a form of misconstruing information to support misconceptions.

It's as good as lying!

If I were to stop illegal abortions by non-physicians, that makes me anti-women rights!

Associative inferences that's all!

Obama has said repeatively I'm not against the 2nd amendment and when I read Toolmakers post and his references, that's what I see!

If toolmakers wants to post something truthful then find a source that is not off the wall like that nut Jeff Rense!

AIIZ

And,
what is the mechanism he proposes for taking the guns from the hands of gang members?............

Both statements can be true:
Obama can try to take the guns from gangsters, and, he can be anti-gun...........

why do you have such an aversion to his being labeled as anti-gun?
He seems ok with it.
He says he's not anti-gun, as a sound bite, but, his record conflicts with that.
You state that he repeatedly states he's not against the second amendment. I'd propose maybe he's saying it a lot so some will believe him.....there's some parable regarding saying something enough until people think it's true.
I bet if someone could hack his email, there'd be correspondence to support this........

It's a fairly standard left wing line, to severely limit freedoms under the 2nd amendment.......to protect us from ourselves........to make the world safer.........

In the general opinion, ant-gun means legislating, or supporting same, to make it hard or impossible for law abiding citizens to have and keep the weapons THEY choose, not what you'll allow them...............

Hell,
it's already illegal to shoot people. That doesn't seem to stop gangsters from doing it........so, how will making laws, (that only law abiding citizens follow) against me having a certain type weapon stop criminals from having them? They aren't going to stop because the law says to, that's pretty obvious.

Or, requiring Joe Citizen to turn in his particular choice of weapon? I'd doubt the gangsters, et al, will turn theirs in.............

When Obama says he's not against the second amendment, I'd bet that's a qualified statement:
I'd bet he'd be fore all sorts of restrictions on private ownership, but, as long as someone can still own a single shot .22 rifle with a 4 foot barrel, he's still for the 2nd amendment.........and can state that "honestly".

Until you can guarantee all guns gone from all citizens, criminals and all,
I'd rather have the option to defend myself..........any way and with whatever I want.
I'm not going to mis-use a weapon. Don't take mine.

Deal with the criminals and their violent behavior.

Why are you not for taking cars away, since, there are those that mis-use them?
Golf clubs?
Baseball bats?

It's the people, not the tool............

[Elderberry]

LOL that was a funny video. I understand that Jesus is a friend of Palin too--I just saw the video of him laying hands on Palin and praying to Jesus to keep the witches away from her. I'm sure we all know that this guy gained his notoriety by organizing witch hunts in his home country.

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I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions as to whether she is qualified to be a heart beat away from the presidency in this century.

JK

[DVD Burner]

That was it?

Man!

I thought they were going to hit her on her head and drop her.

You know how they do.

[ygmir]

So,
if she was a Muslim and that video was of all that soothing music coming from the minaret, and, everyone was on rugs facing mecca, bowing and chanting, would you have the same comment?

Just wondering if you're against religion in general, christianity in particular, or, just Palin...........

[DVD Burner]

is that question for me?

[ygmir]

is that question for me?

nope, sorry, Jkisha.
I should have used the quote thing.

But,
chime on in if you feel so inclined............

[Apollonaris Zeus]

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r ... _call_vote_
cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

you support this law?

This law will prevent you from suing these these people for defects and poorly made products.

Is this what you what?

Misuse by who? People other then those that own it?

Or this one: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html

I would really like to know what the hell is this article talking about- the right of a minor to have access to an abortion and a disclaimer about the accuracy of a questionnaire that Obama states he did not fill out!

It's digging for dirt where none is found and is fact a ridiculous article

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/
roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217

To expand the definition of armor piercing ammunition and for other purposes.

So Obama wants to protect law enforcement and now he's anti-gun!

Again associative inferences!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar ... on-se.html

Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' on Gun Owners' Rights

February 15, 2008 2:09 PM

ABC News' David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller Report: After another campus shooting, this time in his home state of Illinois, Democratic candidate Sen. Barack Obama offered thoughts and prayers for the victims and their families. But no new ideas for gun control.

"The city of Chicago has gun laws, so does Washington, DC," Obama said. "The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gangbangers and random shootings on the street isn't born out by our Constitution."

Obama said this: "There's been a long standing argument by constitutional scholars about whether the second amendment referred simply to militias or it spoke to an individual right to possess arms. I think the latter is the better argument. There is an individual right to bear arms, but it is subject to common-sense regulation just like most of our rights are subject to common-sense regulation.

This repeats what I've said already- he's wants to end gang violence!
Obama is Anti-Gang Not Anti-Gun!

http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/20 ... no_news_in _obamas_c.php

This page doesn't exists!

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 60181.html

Stolfer says gun rights advocates such as himself shouldn't seriously consider Democratic Sens. Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, but added he has concerns about Republican Sen. John McCain.

Clinton and Obama favor some kind of ban on assault weapons

Does this include mortars, bazookaas! Come on Assault Weapons!
You want more fuck'n nuts walking about with this shit! Where the hell is my sherman tank man? As I said, The NRA doesn't speak for the common man, but the Arms industry!

http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml

this article doesn't even deserve my time so all I'll say is:
The Volokh Conspiracy

http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/ ... wards.html

Obama: "It's early to make a full assessment on how this changes our politics and the public mood. I think all of us are still just overwhelmed with grief for the families and for Virginia Tech and obviously people here remember what happened at the university and how painful it can be (a reference to the shootings at the University of Iowa). I do think that the evidence so far at least indicates that you've got a young man who was mentally deranged, was identified as such, was temporarily committed and was still able to obtain handguns and so one critical question is, 'What happened to our background check system? Why did it fail?' and it seems like we should be able to come to some bipartisan agreement on making that background system, background check system work. The second area which may be fought by the NRA, but I think has to be looked at is the availability of 19-round clips.

..... I'm a strong believer in the rights of hunters and sportsmen to have firearms. I'm a believe in homeowners having a firearms to protect their home and their family.....

It's hard for me to find a rationale for a 19-clip semi-automatic. I said at a forum earlier this week, 'If you need 19 rounds to shoot a deer, you probably shouldn't be hunting' and so that I think is something that we should be able to have a reasonable conversation about."

The freewheeling no-background checks on sales at guns shows must stop and those with criminal backgrounds, domestic violence and mentally deranged person should never be allowed to own guns!

Cops in NYC need this clips so they can shoot innocent victims on the street. I go with obama on this too!

http://eplaya.burningman.org/posting.ph ... ly&t=26554

This PDF doesn't mean a thing, can you post something more relevant on the subject.

AZ:
and,
the stuff Toolmaker posted is not hyperbole or distortion, or half truth.......
take from it what you will, but, it is accurate.....

What?

I stand by conviction that Obama is not Anti-Gun 2nd amendment and that point are just what I said- associative inferences!!!

That's what gets me MAD!

Rethink your position Toolmaker and ygmir.

AIIZ

[Elderberry]

So,
if she was a Muslim and that video was of all that soothing music coming from the minaret, and, everyone was on rugs facing mecca, bowing and chanting, would you have the same comment?

Just wondering if you're against religion in general, christianity in particular, or, just Palin...........

To answer your first question: No.

To answer your second question: Yes. No, I just have a hard time understanding why otherwise seemingly intelligent people choose to believe so strongly in myth and fairy tale, christian, muslim, whatever. And yes. I think she is totally unqualified to be VP; and the more we hear from her the and other's even in her party, the more my opinion seems to be correct.

JK

[ygmir]

I think some of this comes down to a few points, or attitudes, at least for me..........

I see a freedom of choice issue, in that I should be allowed to choose whatever gun I want, as a law abiding citizen. If I break the law, then, I don't get to play no more.........

It is not up to anyone to say if I need 19 bullets to go deer hunting.............
(I don't hunt anyway). It should be up to me.

I wonder if there is a statistic as to what sort of guns are used in violent crimes? How many shots are fired?
Long ago, I had read in most gun battles, the outcome is set in less than 4 shots, total.
It may be different now, though. I don't know.

Mortars and bazookas, etc, are "destructive devices" IIRC, not classified as assault weapons........
the term "assault weapon" is very wide ranging...............to wide for me.
I'd only say it'd apply to full-auto fire capability.........
A semi-auto gun is a very useful hunting or sporting tool, etc, in that it allows you to stay on target for multiple shots.........

I'm not clear on your reference to abortion above, or, it's relation to gun control.

I have no problem with being able to sue for defective products. I do have trouble with someone suing a gun manufacturer for something someone does with a gun.....as long as the gun works as intended.

I'm ok with background checks, it would help keep criminals, etc. from getting them at a store anyway........

your reference to Obama favoring "common sense" regulation on assault weapons, again, is a wide brush to paint with.........
His common sense might be draconian to me, and, vice versa.............

I think it should be up to the states, for one thing. 10th amendment and all that............

It might make sense for a certain state to outlaw certain guns, and, their voters would determine that, but, it may be antithetical to people in other states............like Florida vs Montana, I use these only as examples.
I don't like federal interference in state issues....I do like the 10th amendment...........If adhered to, a lot of things would work better for locals..........

The feel good way out of this is making laws saying something isn't ok, knowing full well the criminals won't abide anyway, but, it makes the politicians look like they care, and, are on top of things.
And,
in so doing, make criminals out of law abiding citizens. This can be applied to many sectors of our society.

Why not stand harder on criminals?

Just some thoughts............

[ygmir]

So,
if she was a Muslim and that video was of all that soothing music coming from the minaret, and, everyone was on rugs facing mecca, bowing and chanting, would you have the same comment?

Just wondering if you're against religion in general, christianity in particular, or, just Palin...........

To answer your first question: No.

To answer your second question: Yes. No, I just have a hard time understanding why otherwise seemingly intelligent people choose to believe so strongly in myth and fairy tale, christian, muslim, whatever. And yes. I think she is totally unqualified to be VP; and the more we hear from her the and other's even in her party, the more my opinion seems to be correct.

JK

Hm.......
why would your response be different if she were Muslim?

I understand what you say regarding religion, and, appreciate your opinion. Although, my question had to reference to her qualifying for V.P. in it...............

It's interesting how people look at qualifications:

we hate "insiders", but, if we don't like a candidate, we say they don't have enough experience, implying, they should be "insiders"........

We don't want "politics as usual" but, again, will point out we want someone who knows how it's done, again implying they'll do the same.......

We want change, but, if it's not the person we want, we point out how that person doesn't know how it works, as if it should be kept the same..........

I'm not for her specifically, I just see a disconnect in logic using those arguments.........

again,
I think I'd like to see a non political, no political experience, person with good sense run...........and, not a lawyer..............

Lets stir it up and really change things.........

[littleflower]

No, I just have a hard time understanding why otherwise seemingly intelligent people choose to believe so strongly in myth and fairy tale, christian, muslim, whatever.

i know a lot of people who wonder why so many otherwise seemingly intelligent people choose to believe so strongly in atheism and the ability of the scientific community to answer all of life's unanswered questions. yes, they know a lot ... but there is a hell of a lot they don't know.

and yes ... the obvious point someone will point out ... there has been far too much violence in the name of god. we all find it creepy. but a lot of good is done in the name of god as well, it just never makes the news. and a lot of bad is done outside religion.

maybe religion is just the opium of the masses, eh? but then, maybe a lot of people need something to hope for that is greater than obama, greater than the democrat's version of government, greater than *any* agenda created by humans. those people don't look to republicans, either. what, then? if you don't see it, fine ... but maybe it is you who is missing something.

BTW i am no one's idea of a religious fanatic... just find the question fascinating....

[DVD Burner]

It's interesting how people look at qualifications:

we hate "insiders", but, if we don't like a candidate, we say they don't have enough experience, implying, they should be "insiders"........

You could have stopped there and that would have been enough.

Well put!

Can I use that as a sig?

[Simon of the Playa]

So,
if she was a Muslim and that video was of all that soothing music coming from the minaret, and, everyone was on rugs facing mecca, bowing and chanting, would you have the same comment?

Just wondering if you're against religion in general, christianity in particular, or, just Palin...........

actually, i'm against idiots who BELIEVE in that crap, especially those in power..

I plop out a big long Turd just about every day, because i'm pretty regular, and sometimes i call it Jesus, sometimes i call it Moses, and sometimes Mohammed, lately, i've been calling it Buddha, but i think that relates to some issues i have with one of my ex-wives.

my point is, they are all shit....


and the lips that touch Jesus are covered in nasty, stinky, poo.

so dont kiss ME with that potty mouth, Dumbass.

[ygmir]

It's interesting how people look at qualifications:

we hate "insiders", but, if we don't like a candidate, we say they don't have enough experience, implying, they should be "insiders"........

You could have stopped there and that would have been enough.

Well put!

Can I use that as a sig?

Thanks.
feel free.

[fciron]

I think we're discussing the wrong Palin

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[Elderberry]

Hm.......
why would your response be different if she were Muslim?

My response would have been the same if she were a christian until her pastor brought 'witches' into his hands on salvation thing--come on now, really. Witches? In the 21st century? Hey, I'm willing to put up with people with the acceptable religious delusions, but witches takes me way beyond the acceptable.

It's interesting how people look at qualifications:

we hate "insiders", but, if we don't like a candidate, we say they don't have enough experience, implying, they should be "insiders"........

We don't want "politics as usual" but, again, will point out we want someone who knows how it's done, again implying they'll do the same.......

We want change, but, if it's not the person we want, we point out how that person doesn't know how it works, as if it should be kept the same..........

I'm not for her specifically, I just see a disconnect in logic using those arguments.........

again,
I think I'd like to see a non political, no political experience, person with good sense run...........and, not a lawyer..............

Lets stir it up and really change things.........

To say that there is something wrong with the system would also be to say that there is something wrong with our constitution, which is the foundation of the system, and I'm not ready to go there.

I don't find anything wrong with the "system", per se. I think that our leaders have corrupted the system for personal gain, which I do think is wrong. But I do tend to blame that more on the apathy of the people that vote these people into office. Unfortunately the majority of 'voters' in this country can tell you more facts about pop-culture icons than they can about their current elected officials and get most of their information from sound-bites and political talking points. So, I guess we all get what we deserve.

I don't really want a candidate that is not in the system, I want someone that knows how the system works and I hope against hope that the candidate will honestly work within the system for the benefit of people who elected him/her and the country as a whole.

JK

[Elderberry]

i know a lot of people who wonder why so many otherwise seemingly intelligent people choose to believe so strongly in atheism and the ability of the scientific community to answer all of life's unanswered questions. yes, they know a lot ... but there is a hell of a lot they don't know.

First "athiests" don't "believe" in "athiesism", as that implies accepting something on blind "faith" rather than "proof" via the "scientific method".

There is always a lot that is unknown or not yet understood. But the answer to those yet unanswered questions is not some mythical boogie man in the sky. People used to believe that Appolo drove the sun across the sky in his chariott. As knowledge progressed, that belief was replaced and today is looked on as rediculous too. People used to believe that the earth was the center of the universe when scientists first realized there was a universe of planets. It was herasy when science tried to tell the truth about the sun being the center of the earth, if you recall.

.

maybe religion is just the opium of the masses, eh? but then, maybe a lot of people need something to hope for that is greater than obama, greater than the democrat's version of government, greater than *any* agenda created by humans. those people don't look to republicans, either. what, then? if you don't see it, fine ... but maybe it is you who is missing something.

BTW i am no one's idea of a religious fanatic... just find the question fascinating....

If people want to believe in fairy tales, more power too them. Trust me, I am missing nothing when it comes to religion.

I can't wait for Bill Mahr's new movie to come out next month!

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JK

[lurker]

My response would have been the same if she were a christian until her pastor brought 'witches' into his hands on salvation thing--come on now, really. Witches? In the 21st century? Hey, I'm willing to put up with people with the acceptable religious delusions, but witches takes me way beyond the acceptable

You are aware that there are anti-witchcraft laws that are currently in use across big chunks of the Muslim world.....yes?