just as long as we don't confuse true hate with stress induced Tourette's,
when the stress triggeres are sensitive to another's stress induced Tourette's
it's just sad
Lets Make Burning Man a "Hate Free Zone"!
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hate, love, love, hate.....
Janus knows the two sides, and both are equally true.
and sometimes, the two combined make for phenomenal, if not psychically disturbing sex.
case in point, italian foreplay;
"fuck you"
"no, fuck YOU"
"FUCK YOU!"
"Fuck ME?, Fuck YOU!"
"no, FUCK YOU"....
that's why they have so many babies.
class dismissed.
Janus knows the two sides, and both are equally true.
and sometimes, the two combined make for phenomenal, if not psychically disturbing sex.
case in point, italian foreplay;
"fuck you"
"no, fuck YOU"
"FUCK YOU!"
"Fuck ME?, Fuck YOU!"
"no, FUCK YOU"....
that's why they have so many babies.
class dismissed.
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[quote="Apollonaris Zeus"]
I didn't say that I hated GW, I just want him to DIE!
Die white trash Bush! Now that could be conscrewed to be hate, but saying, "Die Trailer trash Bush!" is not!
Oh did I mention that we are not on the playa- I wouldn't even bother bring up the subject there.
AIIZ
PS- Its about Social Correctness, not Political Correctness is what this thread is about! So there![/quote]
So, it's okay to insult people and tell them to die. Just not to hate them.
Acceptable: DIE JEWISH BASTARDS!
Not acceptable: I hate Jews.
Am I getting this right? ó____ò
I didn't say that I hated GW, I just want him to DIE!
Die white trash Bush! Now that could be conscrewed to be hate, but saying, "Die Trailer trash Bush!" is not!
Oh did I mention that we are not on the playa- I wouldn't even bother bring up the subject there.
AIIZ
PS- Its about Social Correctness, not Political Correctness is what this thread is about! So there![/quote]
So, it's okay to insult people and tell them to die. Just not to hate them.
Acceptable: DIE JEWISH BASTARDS!
Not acceptable: I hate Jews.
Am I getting this right? ó____ò
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What will it take to make our government realize that these groups are Terrorists and should be illegal and arrested!
New report on Hate Gangs:
Report warns of rise of right-wing extremists
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In a report made public today, the Department of Homeland Security warns that the recession and the election of President Obama are "fueling resurgence" of right-wing extremist groups that are seeking new recruits, especially returning veterans.
The intelligence assessment suggests that veterans make attractive recruits because of "combat skills and experience" that could boost the "violent capabilities" of radical right groups. Further, it says that any possible new restrictions on gun ownership, combined with vets' trouble reintegrating into their communities during a bad economy, "could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."
"The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement," the report states.
But DHS "has no specific information that domestic right-wing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence," spokeswoman Sara Kuban told Fox News. The assessment was issued last week to law enforcement. A similar assessment on left-wing groups was issued earlier in the year.
How does DHS define "right-wing extremism'? It writes that it "can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."
The report has lit up the blogosphere.
One prominent right-wing blogger calls the report a "hit job on conservatives." Others denounce it as "execrable" and "a blatant propaganda effort designed to characterize conservatives as racist, anti-American, dangerous extremists".
Read on for the key findings of the report:
• Threats from white supremacist and violent antigovernment groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts. Nevertheless, the consequences of a prolonged economic downturn—including real estate foreclosures, unemployment, and an inability to obtain credit—could create a fertile recruiting environment for right-wing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past.
• Right-wing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first African American president, and are focusing their efforts to recruit new members, mobilize existing supporters, and broaden their scope and appeal through propaganda, but they have not yet turned to attack planning.
• The current economic and political climate has some similarities to the 1990s when right-wing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs, and the perceived threat to U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers.
• During the 1990s, these issues contributed to the growth in the number of domestic right-wing terrorist and extremist groups and an increase in violent acts targeting government facilities, law enforcement officers, banks, and infrastructure sectors.
• Growth of these groups subsided in reaction to increased government scrutiny as a result of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and disrupted plots, improvements in as the preeminent world power.
• The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.
• Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of right-wing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement.
• Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities.
Rush Limburger Cheese has shown his colors by defending these groups on the air today! He knows they are a big segment of his supporters as if we didn't know that!
AIIZ
New report on Hate Gangs:
Report warns of rise of right-wing extremists
Buzz up!Like this story? Share it with Yahoo! Buzz
In a report made public today, the Department of Homeland Security warns that the recession and the election of President Obama are "fueling resurgence" of right-wing extremist groups that are seeking new recruits, especially returning veterans.
The intelligence assessment suggests that veterans make attractive recruits because of "combat skills and experience" that could boost the "violent capabilities" of radical right groups. Further, it says that any possible new restrictions on gun ownership, combined with vets' trouble reintegrating into their communities during a bad economy, "could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."
"The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement," the report states.
But DHS "has no specific information that domestic right-wing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence," spokeswoman Sara Kuban told Fox News. The assessment was issued last week to law enforcement. A similar assessment on left-wing groups was issued earlier in the year.
How does DHS define "right-wing extremism'? It writes that it "can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."
The report has lit up the blogosphere.
One prominent right-wing blogger calls the report a "hit job on conservatives." Others denounce it as "execrable" and "a blatant propaganda effort designed to characterize conservatives as racist, anti-American, dangerous extremists".
Read on for the key findings of the report:
• Threats from white supremacist and violent antigovernment groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts. Nevertheless, the consequences of a prolonged economic downturn—including real estate foreclosures, unemployment, and an inability to obtain credit—could create a fertile recruiting environment for right-wing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past.
• Right-wing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first African American president, and are focusing their efforts to recruit new members, mobilize existing supporters, and broaden their scope and appeal through propaganda, but they have not yet turned to attack planning.
• The current economic and political climate has some similarities to the 1990s when right-wing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs, and the perceived threat to U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers.
• During the 1990s, these issues contributed to the growth in the number of domestic right-wing terrorist and extremist groups and an increase in violent acts targeting government facilities, law enforcement officers, banks, and infrastructure sectors.
• Growth of these groups subsided in reaction to increased government scrutiny as a result of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and disrupted plots, improvements in as the preeminent world power.
• The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.
• Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of right-wing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement.
• Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities.
Rush Limburger Cheese has shown his colors by defending these groups on the air today! He knows they are a big segment of his supporters as if we didn't know that!
AIIZ
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If they have attacked, kill, lynched, raped, poisoned and believe that only people of their race, color and creed are superior to all others and that the constitution only applies to them, I sure do?ygmir wrote:do you catagorize them with all the other hate groups: La Raza, Nation of Islam, etc?.........
Do have evidence or know of these actions?
Please post them!
AIIZ
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I checked out La Raza and it doesn't say anything about discriminating against other only about discrimination towards them. National Of Islam has come out against Judaism but as a response of discrimination against other muslim especially the mid-east conflict. Their recent tone as been of reconciliation- correct me if i'm wrong. Hey, I don't like the big three religions, and I don't support their rights to practice freely as long as they discriminate against others- especially gays and those of other religions!Apollonaris Zeus wrote:If they have attacked, kill, lynched, raped, poisoned and believe that only people of their race, color and creed are superior to all others and that the constitution only applies to them, I sure do?ygmir wrote:do you catagorize them with all the other hate groups: La Raza, Nation of Islam, etc?.........
Do have evidence or know of these actions?
Please post them!
AIIZ
Sometime in the future, our nation will have to look more closely at what is really preached and the content in their books. If they don't rewrite them to be inclusionary, Then I'm all for banishing them!
AIIZ
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ygmir
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ok, thanks, I was just wondering about your stance.......some folks will argue only "right wing, white" groups should be banned......Apollonaris Zeus wrote:I checked out La Raza and it doesn't say anything about discriminating against other only about discrimination towards them. National Of Islam has come out against Judaism but as a response of discrimination against other muslim especially the mid-east conflict. Their recent tone as been of reconciliation- correct me if i'm wrong. Hey, I don't like the big three religions, and I don't support their rights to practice freely as long as they discriminate against others- especially gays and those of other religions!Apollonaris Zeus wrote:If they have attacked, kill, lynched, raped, poisoned and believe that only people of their race, color and creed are superior to all others and that the constitution only applies to them, I sure do?ygmir wrote:do you catagorize them with all the other hate groups: La Raza, Nation of Islam, etc?.........
Do have evidence or know of these actions?
Please post them!
AIIZ
Sometime in the future, our nation will have to look more closely at what is really preached and the content in their books. If they don't rewrite them to be inclusionary, Then I'm all for banishing them!
AIIZ
I'm for it, across the board, if they are "for" or "against" any specific group.......
otherwise, if you can't/ won't ban all of the "special" groups, how can any be banned?
then, of course, there's that pesky "freedom of association" thing.........
I'm sure any of the more radical groups, have committed mayhem towards others.......in the name of their particular groups beliefs, values, etc.
Of course "La Raza" et al, wouldn't post anything on a website regarding same, if they're smart, and, I think they are.
I'd submit, though, that most of them are racist against whites, and, probably other groups, as well........
Sure, they have their reasons......but, prejudice is prejudice...........who draws the line as to what's "ok"?.........
NAACP........ok, but, why no NAAWP, or, NAAOP..........
I struggle with the idea of "inclusionary" being a mandate for a group.
I appreciate being able to choose who I hang out with.
I also see how being isolated and "exclusionary" leads to hatred, and worse, against the "others".
There has to be a balance there somewhere.........
YGMIR
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Yes, this report, which was started in the Bush White House only states what has been known about the recruitment tactics of the Extreme Hate Terrorist Gangs. Their members are encouraged to join the Armed Forces and infiltrate higher positions. From there they are asked to join special forces, including other departments such as the Police, state police FBI, CIA and So on.
The new labeling of these Groups to Gangs and to domestic terrorists are just realizations that these goups are violent and have targeted Americans for too long. They have no loyalty to our Constitution and Bill of Rights or the core values of democracy. They only see these institutions as an impediment to their goals of an exclusionary nation.
If the Taliban which didn't kill thousands of people in 9/11, are considered an banned terrorist group so why isn't the Nazis which has killed 100's of 1,000's of Americans NOT? They are even considered illegal in their own country of origin. Or the KKK, which has heen a domestic terrorist group and claimed to be so by since their origin not be designated as such a threat to the American Way of Life!
There is a difference between Freedom of Speech and inciteful inflammatory proclamations is that one can leads to freedom for all and the other to retract those freedoms from citizens based on exclusion to freedoms.
This is not about fanciful out-of-touch talk show hosts like Rush, but real terrorists.
And the playa should be considered sacred to mock all groups equally without persecution.
AIIZ
The new labeling of these Groups to Gangs and to domestic terrorists are just realizations that these goups are violent and have targeted Americans for too long. They have no loyalty to our Constitution and Bill of Rights or the core values of democracy. They only see these institutions as an impediment to their goals of an exclusionary nation.
If the Taliban which didn't kill thousands of people in 9/11, are considered an banned terrorist group so why isn't the Nazis which has killed 100's of 1,000's of Americans NOT? They are even considered illegal in their own country of origin. Or the KKK, which has heen a domestic terrorist group and claimed to be so by since their origin not be designated as such a threat to the American Way of Life!
There is a difference between Freedom of Speech and inciteful inflammatory proclamations is that one can leads to freedom for all and the other to retract those freedoms from citizens based on exclusion to freedoms.
This is not about fanciful out-of-touch talk show hosts like Rush, but real terrorists.
And the playa should be considered sacred to mock all groups equally without persecution.
AIIZ
I hate you Apollonaris. Got a problem with that, buddy?
I'm going for hater of the year (even tho I know I won't get it)
I hate how the competition was better last year
I hate your peace mongering
I hate your politics
And I most certainly hate hate
Put that in your camelbak and drink it up, ooh, nice warm hate...
And I hate thinking about how this will be recieved...
Hopefully you hate it :x
And hopefully you hate me, it makes me destroying you in intelligent argument all the more pleasant.
Here's my vote for keeping radical self expression radical.
I'm going for hater of the year (even tho I know I won't get it)
I hate how the competition was better last year
I hate your peace mongering
I hate your politics
And I most certainly hate hate
Put that in your camelbak and drink it up, ooh, nice warm hate...
And I hate thinking about how this will be recieved...
Hopefully you hate it :x
And hopefully you hate me, it makes me destroying you in intelligent argument all the more pleasant.
Here's my vote for keeping radical self expression radical.
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Sorry
I just had a lot of hate to spew, negative influences i suppose... my earlier post has been eating me all day... I remember a large art car passing, and a guy with a megaphone yelled "radical inclusivity should have ended with you!" I looked up, and some hippys were like "what?!"and a guy sitting in a geodesic dome at the corner with a megaphone yelling at people. I've just been... negative lately. Least its all out of my system, I personally would not want to bring this shit out to the playa (my hate is never funny) :(
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Apollonaris Zeus
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Everyone's a "Hate" Critic these days.
Let the Hater become the lover and join hands to dance forever in the Elysian Fields
I guess the playa will suffice
Love you all
have the best time ever!
And those that have three times kept to their oaths,
Keeping their souls clean and pure,
Never letting their hearts be defiled by the taint
Of evil and injustice,
And barbaric veniality,
They are led by Zeus to the end:
To the palace of Kronos,
Where soothing breezes off the Ocean
Breathe over the Isle of the Blessed:
All around flowers are blazing with a
Dazzling light:
Some springing from the shining trees,
Others nourished by the water from the sea:
With circlets and garlands of flowers they
Crown their hands,
Ruled by the steadfast councils of
Rhadamanthys:
Rhadamanthys,
The great Judge,
Whom the Father,
The husband of Rhea,
Whose throne is higher than all:
The great Father keeps him by his side,
His loyal advisor.
Peleus and Kadmos both are there,
And Akhilleus, brought there by his mother,
After she had conquered the heart of Zeus with her
Prayers
AIIZ
Let the Hater become the lover and join hands to dance forever in the Elysian Fields
I guess the playa will suffice
Love you all
have the best time ever!
And those that have three times kept to their oaths,
Keeping their souls clean and pure,
Never letting their hearts be defiled by the taint
Of evil and injustice,
And barbaric veniality,
They are led by Zeus to the end:
To the palace of Kronos,
Where soothing breezes off the Ocean
Breathe over the Isle of the Blessed:
All around flowers are blazing with a
Dazzling light:
Some springing from the shining trees,
Others nourished by the water from the sea:
With circlets and garlands of flowers they
Crown their hands,
Ruled by the steadfast councils of
Rhadamanthys:
Rhadamanthys,
The great Judge,
Whom the Father,
The husband of Rhea,
Whose throne is higher than all:
The great Father keeps him by his side,
His loyal advisor.
Peleus and Kadmos both are there,
And Akhilleus, brought there by his mother,
After she had conquered the heart of Zeus with her
Prayers
AIIZ
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Hate can be taken as a fascinating artistic concept. It displays the human desire to reduce the world in a good vs. evil scenario. Racism, sexism, homophobia and the like are profoundly annoying and far too powerful features of our world.
By attempting to make it "hate free" officially--through bureaucracy we may limit the freedom of individual expression.
hate,
-Skygnome777
By attempting to make it "hate free" officially--through bureaucracy we may limit the freedom of individual expression.
hate,
-Skygnome777
Peace, love, intellectual stimulation, and good times!
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See, I'm not sure that it's a "desire." I think it's a survival trait past its usefulness. I think if we want to effectively fight it, properly identifying it is an important first step.skygnome777 wrote: It displays the human desire to reduce the world in a good vs. evil scenario.
Now, excuse me, I've got to see if there are any hippies on the board that need bashing.
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"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.
Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri
"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.
Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri
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Apollonaris Zeus
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No one is preventing or limiting the paradoxical expression of art for it is an essential part of life.skygnome777 wrote:Hate can be taken as a fascinating artistic concept. It displays the human desire to reduce the world in a good vs. evil scenario. Racism, sexism, homophobia and the like are profoundly annoying and far too powerful features of our world.
By attempting to make it "hate free" officially--through bureaucracy we may limit the freedom of individual expression.
I do think you may want to re-express your feelings.
Fuck Gays Camp or Jewish Princess Blow Job Camp can have many meanings different then its supposed literal expression.
Mein Camp has always been a spoof as well as the Barbie Death Camp.
By all means, those are the expressions we feed on!
We or I don't want to see people coming to BM and beat up on the diversity we have at BM. Most likely, the guy you think is gay is really straight- the second most heard line is, "Hey, I'm really not gay! my girlfiend suggested this costumn."
But i just thought something, if you want to create some ambiguous hate art. Hey, we're always looking for something early to burn anyway. There does seem to be a lack good burns early in the week
AIZ
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Maybe that was Addis' point - if there was a point.Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
But i just thought something, if you want to create some ambiguous hate art. Hey, we're always looking for something early to burn anyway. There does seem to be a lack good burns early in the week
AIZ
Oh and if you're gonna burn something early, send your press release to the Black Rock Beacon so we can adequately plan our staffing levels for such cool f**kery!
