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alt12 · Post by **alt12** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:07 pm

Check this little doozy out....It figures, they were part of Entheon Village...that says a lot right there.....

god bless our culture and its infinitely creative ways to find a way to make a buck :)

http://www.24hourkitchen.org/bm/

BM Kitchen Info

The 24 Hour Kitchen is a blend of vegan and raw food chefs that have a passion for cooking on the playa. We hope to one day reach the goal of feeding every playa citizen a warm hearty meal. Last year we participated in the Entheon Village kitchen and prepared over 600 meals a day. This year we are well prepared to cook for up to 1000 a day since we have invested in some better kitchen gear. We will be on the playa early again this year for the Feed the Artists program so stop on by and eat well while building in the dust.....

(oh and pay them $221 for the food please)....

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:16 pm

Commerce or Commodification?

SilverOrange · Post by **SilverOrange** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:59 pm

Pfff...no bacon.

Bluemandrew · Post by **Bluemandrew** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:19 pm

alt12 wrote:raw food chefs.....passion for cooking......

Ummmmm

Finnegan · Post by **Finnegan** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:22 pm

Is this the Hare Krishna group?

POWERCHAIR · Post by **POWERCHAIR** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:53 pm

......

Finnegan · Post by **Finnegan** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:04 pm

Yep. I would love to have a peek at their books, and see what sort of prophet they're making.

The Rainbow Gathering 2006

BY: ELISHA DRURY

May 23, USA (SUN) â€” The Rainbow Gathering, located in an isolated national forest, is an annual festival that attracts over 40,000 spiritual seekers. Since 1972, the ISKCON Krishna Camp has been flooding the gathering with prasadam, books, and Krishna kirtan.

A full video download of a movie we made is available on our website. You can order the DVD here.

It is Srila Prabhupada's sincere desire to continue to expand North America's largest outreach event, so please come and participate for a week of chanting, dancing, and feasting.

July 1-7 2005

Location: The Mountains of Colorado. Further location details will be announced soon.

Please visit www.krishnacamp.com

dj_john69 · Post by **dj_john69** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:13 pm

fucking hippy food...where is the damn bacon ??

ibdave · Post by **ibdave** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:20 pm

This is also the camp right across from my camp last year that took over the the camp area saved for the midnight opening rush and also the camp that the MOOP Map showed almost all RED.

I think they need to work on a few issues 1st before bragging and asking for $$ to feed the masses..

I Know, I Know... I'm just saying......

Finnegan · Post by **Finnegan** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:24 pm

also the camp that the MOOP Map showed almost all RED.

For only $20 extra, they will guarantee that they will clean up after themselves this year.

ibdave · Post by **ibdave** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:26 pm

Finnegan wrote:
also the camp that the MOOP Map showed almost all RED.
For only $20 extra, they will guarantee that they will clean up after themselves this year.

snicker snicker.......

Finnegan · Post by **Finnegan** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:37 pm

Snickering is a dollar.

POWERCHAIR · Post by **POWERCHAIR** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:38 pm

.......

EspressoDude · Post by **EspressoDude** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:21 pm

bet the State of Nevada FOODIES shut them down by Tuesday morning...

Sanitation issues
Inadequate refrigeration
Raw food
Selling food (even if prepaid)

So then what ya gonna eat the rest of the week? your receipt?

Finnegan · Post by **Finnegan** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:52 pm

Selling food (even if prepaid)

Is this a non-no with Nevada, or the org?

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:09 pm

http://www.palaceofgold.com/index.htm
http://www.palaceofgold.com/srilaprabhupada.htm

Prabhupada's Palace of Gold
RD 1 NBU# 24
Moundsville, WV 26041

Palace Phone: (304) 843-1812 (for information on Palace of Gold only)

Remember.
It's not a cult unless they tell you what to think (like having ten rules or something), and want your money.

Bold · Post by **Bold** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:32 pm

What complete and utter shite.

SWIM is going to locate this camp, verify this madness, and hurl gift bags filled with meat scraps into their midst.

Stickygreen · Post by **Stickygreen** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:35 am

still no bacon on the menu?

don't they know?

everytime a vegan eats bacon, and angel get's it's wings

Post by **AntiM** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:49 am

Finnegan wrote:
Selling food (even if prepaid)
Is this a non-no with Nevada, or the org?

I think it technically this is legal.

But someone forgot to read the Ten Principles and take them to heart.

All of the principles it would seem.

EspressoDude · Post by **EspressoDude** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:00 am

Finnegan wrote:
Selling food (even if prepaid)
Is this a non-no with Nevada, or the org?

Nevada FOODIES don't care about what ya do with food within your own camp.

Food for the masses they do check out.

A "make your own" pizza place a few years ago was shut down by Monday. 1) Raw food, and 2) handled by the unwashed..

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:19 am

ach, let them come, maybe we can teach them to wear the ribbon.

if not, they'll drown in a dry lake bed because they can't swim, or even tread water.

the choice is theirs.

maybe the Hares could become Hairy's or even Harry's...

you never now, now do you.

veleda · Post by **veleda** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:25 am

Dear all;

I'm not going to the playa this year but I am part of the Village Krishna Camp is part of and I think the attitudes on these posts have sickened me.

Having camped with Krishna Camp in prior years (when they ran the kitchen in our camp).. I can tell you this.. They were model burners. They came early, they worked their assess off with smiles on their faces in insane conditions..they volunteered for build projects outside the kitchen, every night they fed people that were tripped out for whatever reason for free and offered impeccable hospitality..They stayed late for strike..and were THEE MOST HARDWORKING SELFLESS people I have had the opportunity to work with on the playa. They did not say.. oh dude.. I feel like going to party even though there is a windstorm on the way.. NO. They just ROCKED..consistently.

They love to cook..That is their sacred offering to the world. I don't like to cook. I like to make art. Arenâ€™t people supposed to do what they love on the playa? This is what I hear.

At the end of last year, they had such a great time with feed the artists (which they are doing that again this year, because they LOVE to cook and liked cooking for people outside of camp as well as it helped them feel like a part of the larger burner community) they figured it would be fun to expand the kitchen and do even more of what they love. The idea was recognizing that some people are artists or performers and want to focus all their energy on doing just that.. and it was seen at least by KC as a way to make an offering to the burner community to allow more people to spend time doing what they love while they do what they love. We have friends doing everything from rangering to fire conclave to black rock radio that for whatever reason are not camping in our village..but still want to be part of our community. Hell we have a group in our village that wants to do a satellite camp somewhere else that is quiet. The intent was NEVER TO MAKE A PROFIT. No this is not commercialism.

We are a full village with multiple theme camps, many art installations, public temples, workshops, music, etc. All of our camps have been working their ass off all year to make offerings to the burner community. No one is getting paid for squat. Weâ€™re all, as we are every year, up to our eyeballs in personal debt, to make sure we can afford the truck, the art projects, the village storage, fixing the art car, the village storage, etc. Itâ€™s fucking hard ass mutha fucka thankless work.. and we do it all because we love it because we are nutcases and we love this crazy festival of crazy peeps.

Now I feel like its all gotten crazy and been turned into something it never was by people that didn't even bother to ask a question. The Krishnas, a people whose religion is grounded in love and compassion and sacred service, have been threatened numerous times and our village has been threatened all because of a misperception of intent.
We've all worked our asses of all year long to make a good village and produce an excellent series of sacred spaces (across multiple spiritual traditions and backgrounds including 'science') exploring evolution and it's really disheartening to watch our community being attacked when there are much better questions and things to be in arms about..

I for one can talk for miles about the ratio of participant vs. spectator these days.. (notice: I am not going to burning man this year)
The Threats are just over the top!!! Must we be frightened for our lives and the sanctity of our sacred space after weâ€™ve spent thousands of hours making art for burning man ? Itâ€™s ridiculous. Don't attack the people slaving away all year to foster community.

After talking about this within the village, Krishna Camp is fine returning to being an in-village only kitchen. It's less work for them and they were primarily just wanting to foster more community and support more people on the playa.. since that doesn't seem to be well-received.. They just want to go back to cooking for the little community we have , which theyâ€™ve been doing for awhile, which is fine.

I ask that all of you , especially the ones that have threatened our village , to take some time to reflect on why your first impulse was violence instead of communication ; why you chose snark over seeking perspective.

I live in SF and I'm happy to talk to you on the phone or even see you in person.Iâ€™ve been a burner since 1998. No, I am not a Krishna, but Iâ€™m proud to know them and be friends with them.

I feel like I was just catapaulted into 6th grade. This is not EVOLUTION folks.

SilverOrange · Post by **SilverOrange** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:35 am

Exactly what threats are you talking about? Going back and rereading the posts in this thread I don't see any threats besides one reference to throwing bags of meat scraps into a camp. Hand grenades...now that would be a threat. Meat scraps...not so much.

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:36 am

For whatever reason, their web site is now redirecting to the Burning Man main site.

veleda · Post by **veleda** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:43 am

Threats have been made privately via the contact page.

The meat scrap comment was funny.. I admit. ; ) Yes, I eat meat.. :P

KC has taken down the website to update to reflect the changes that are being made since its clear their idea of offering food to people outside our village was not well received. Not every good intention has a good reception.

They've been coming to burning man for years and been great neighbors. It was a neat idea in the beginning fostering interdependence and greater community.. but they've realized now that it can also send the wrong message. so..

lesson learned.

I'm still available to talk with anyone. Just message me and I will give you a call or get together with you for coffee if you are local..

Teo del Fuego · Post by **Teo del Fuego** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:20 am

veleda wrote:lesson learned.

Veleda, there is another, important lesson to learn: ePlaya does NOT represent the Burning Man community. It's just a bulletin board for folks, and the population is skewed toward irreverent banter, sometimes bordering on rude and offensive....but it would be a minor travesty for you or any other person to think that the vibe felt on an internet forum is in any way indicative of the reception one would receive out on the playa.

Having said that, I do not prefer the approach taken by some mega camps and would not consider camping with one because I dig the self-reliance thing. But, I confess, mega camps sometimes bring amazing art or dance spaces to the playa for all of us to enjoy.

You guys should do your own thing and judge whether it is appreciated by how folks react to you on the playa...not on the internet.

C.f.M. · Post by **C.f.M.** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:29 am

All of the theme camps I'm considering cost money, and covers food (and other amentities).

What's different about this one?

(aside from the stench of patchouli and lack of pork)

(insert joke about how I will be bringing my own porking)

Post by **AntiM** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:34 am

Teo is wise.

The eplaya is a small, tiny percent of burners. I may not like your idea, and may express an opinion, but that doesn't mean you should alter your plans. Unless you're blowing up kittens.

I wouldn't choose to do a mega-camp or paid meals, but that doesn't make me the arbitrator of what goes on in your camp.

SilverOrange · Post by **SilverOrange** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:40 am

C.f.M. wrote:All of the theme camps I'm considering cost money, and covers food (and other amentities).

What's different about this one?

(aside from the stench of patchouli and lack of pork)

(insert joke about how I will be bringing my own porking)

They are not collecting money to feed members of their camp. They are collecting money to feed the general population of black rock city. I believe that the response they are getting is due to the fact that it seems to violate more than one of the ideas that this event was built upon.

Post by **AntiM** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:45 am

And a Serious Note from your friendly moderator: threats are unacceptable, even in private messages. Says so in the terms of Service.

Joking about meat scraps? Poor taste, but obviously a joke.

Disagree, mock, inform, it is an open forum. Threaten? Not on my watch.

Play Nice.

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