Fascism in Action

[Silver]

BRR wrote:

I put my young and stupid ass on the line for this

Silver writes:
The right to be an obnoxious asshole?

[Zephryus]

The court recognizes Bob's request for BRR to behave in a responsible and respectful fashion, and SECONDS the motion. Objections?

The court recognizes KellY's hypothetical questions and ACCEPTS them as relevant to the social dynamics currently being discussed.
The court also ACCEPTS Badger's extension of KellY's hypothetical situation, with thanks for the mental image.

Rodent's particularly witty Mayo reference is ACCEPTED.

BRR's argument that free speech which is not directly harmful should be all-pervasive and applied equally to any given situation is DENIED, on the grounds that this website has a well-published set of Cummunity Guidelines and Terms of Service, which are linked to at the bottom of each page of these boards, and which BRR explicitly agreed to adhere to when he activated his account. These documents apply strictures to one's freedom of expression beyond those set by the constitution, and are held to be valid by this court, the Administrators and Moderators of this board, and the vast majority of this board's active members. While the court is receptive to challenges made to these documents and the principles they are founded upon, "But I don't wanna!" is not considered a proper challenge. Furthermore, the court finds BRR in contempt for use of needless hyperbole in stating his case. While the court is receptive to charges levied against this board and its members, these charges must necessarily be backed up with convincing evidence and rational, well stated arguments, both of which BRR has thus far refused to supply.

Put or shut up, bitch.

Pending BRR's (likely) failure to, in fact , "put up," the court recognizes Bob's recommendation that the Administrators freely associate BRR's ass with the door and SECONDS the motion.

[Isotopia]

<engaging maximum anti-Pepsi-blast-through-the-nose computer monitor protection shield>

Off to the crush thread.

[Silver]

Sorry about the last posting,went over the top there. I was working from home and dealing with a 17 year old whose attitudes greatly remind me of BBR.

[Simply Joel]

<engaging maximum anti-Pepsi-blast-through-the-nose computer monitor protection shield>

That is funny, too.

[Maia]

Dear Dear zeph.. I have read your posts regarding freedom of speech and TOS. I just wanted to add something. Where in the TOS is a violation by Ric? And,,, does the TOS take precedence over the US Constitution?

And Silver,, perhaps living within the Beltway has skewed your reason. My advice, move out West, breathe some clean air, sit with the other rednecks in the Owl Club in some dusty town and complain about "liberals' and their unreasonable interpretations of the Constitution.. buncha faggots anyway, right?

Love,

Maia

[Silver]

move out West, breathe some clean air, sit with the other rednecks in the Owl Club in some dusty town

On the whole I would rather be dead; indeed if I could tell the difference. Right now I actually live in Northern VA, come next June the kid is out of high school and I am moving into the city. In about 10 years I can totally pack it in and retire, (thought it would be sooner but the divorce is a big hit) and I am only looking a metro areas of 2 mill plus, and warm, the only snow I ever want to see again is on mountains waaayyy in the distance.

[Simply Joel]

...does the TOS take precedence over the US Constitution?

I think the point was made earlier by someone other than me that this space (e-playa) is a privately owned entitiy. Whether TOS takes precedence over the US Constitution is a question to be determined by the judicial system... or as it plays out in the "open market."

On a related note, I am unclear whether the legislative branch is sufficiently informed, let alone engaged in e-commerce, e-community and e-taxation... but I am going to assert that "once they figure it out, all bets are off" regarding the e-world. The legislative branch simply hasn't figured out how to "get their fingers into the pie."

[Guest]

Did you listen to Michael Moore on CNN.. Media companies suppressing dissent.. This being a media company, sometimes suppressing dissent. Does that mean when the revolution comes, Eisner and Harvey, hopefully not Nicole,, she is not butt ugly.. (likely go up against the wall)

[Alpha]

In what way is eplaya a media company??

[Ranger Genius]

Here's the difference: We're not trying to stop you from getting the message out. We're not withholding the distribution rights of your half-cocked ideas ransom. You have every right to publish them and distribute them. But that doesn't mean we have to buy them.

I support your right to say what you have to say, BRR, but that doesn't mean I have to listen to you.

[Alpha]

I support your right to say what you have to say, BRR, but that doesn't mean I have to listen to you.

Let me add, "or provide you a forum in which to speak. That's not why eplaya is here."

[theCryptofishist]

Another first amendment right.
Free Assembly. We have the right to freely assemble on the Playa. We do not have the right to assemble on the Black Rock Grinch's privately owned ranch. Is this an infringement on our rights? No. (Just as well, I'm sure my pitchfork and torch would be no match for his "fire power.")

[Rob the Wop]

does the TOS take precedence over the US Constitution?

Absolutely. Private contracts can and will restrict your rights. I am currently under a Non-Disclosure Agreement from my work. This means I cannot talk about confidential information to people not in my company.

Private contracts can restrict your right to freedom, speech, etc. When you set up an account on this board, you accept the agreements of a private contract with the mediators of this board. Also a business (of which this BBS is a portion of) has the right to refuse service to individuals, so long as it is not discriminations based upon race, faith, etc.

Trying to make a Supreme Court case out of getting tossed from a BBS is kind of pointless, really. If you could find one lawyer that would not consider you a nutcase, then you would simply end up with a possible frivolous lawsuit countersuit. You would never win a "free speech" case in a real court.

[theCryptofishist]

Absolutely. Private contracts can and will restrict your rights. I am currently under a Non-Disclosure Agreement from my work. This means I cannot talk about confidential information to people not in my company.

When you buy a house in Celebration, Florida you give up such civic rights as voting in city elections, instead the corporation takes care of such things. Even less micro-managing condo boards routinely take away the option of hanging your clothes on a line to dry. When you think of the energy wasted by manditory use of dryers and the subsequent building of power plants . . . that's too bad. It's still legal.

[Guest]

Alpha,, the internet is media,, eplaya is part of a company.

Ranger, but you are listening, and reading, and responding. That would make me an integral part of your eplaya media experience.. Ignore me, in fact if all of your ignored me, maybe I would go away,, try it see if it works.. But I think, you cannot resist the bait. Funny aside,, the bm cult is referred to by some as Bmorg. There is a website in which former Mormons moan about the the church which they refer to as the Morg.

If you have the right to peaceably assemble on the Playa, do I not have the right to peaceably assemble on the Playa too, same place same time without paying money to a private company for the use of public land? What I would like to do in drive my dune buggy freely and peaceably thoughout the playa without restrictions placed by profit making organizations..

Don't you have the right to peaceably assemble on nearby Hotsprings during burning Man? But the burning man organization puts security guards at the hot springs to turn you away..

Can't you twist the right of assembly and the right of free speech into knots, unless you strip it to the simplicity of; it is exactly what it says it is?

[Alpha]

*plonk*

[Isotopia]

We're not withholding the distribution rights of your half-cocked ideas ransom.

Beaten to the punch, Alpha replied:

Let me add, "or provide you a forum in which to speak. That's not why eplaya is here.".

Regardless of political philosophy, I'm at a loss to understand why anyone marginally familiar with free-speech issues in this country can't grok this. To suggest that the Constitution(TM) somehow still trumps decades of legal definition and clarification is just absurd. BRR's contrarian yodelling to the contrary doesn't do much when the avalanche of precedent is heading his way.

[DVD Burner]

I'm starting to like BRR. Suddenly everyone is starting to realize........ I'm not that bad after all huh.


If ya'll had'nt delt with me, ya'll would'nt have been prepaired for fighting in the mud with BRR.

[stuart]

Ignore me, in fact if all of your ignored me, maybe I would go away,,

promise? I will make a deal with you. I will ignore you if I know whom to ignore. If you stay BRR, I promise not to respond, ever.

Anyone wanna join me in this experiment?

[Simply Joel]

Ignore me, in fact if all of your ignored me, maybe I would go away,,

promise? I will make a deal with you. I will ignore you if I know whom to ignore. If you stay BRR, I promise not to respond, ever.

Anyone wanna join me in this experiment?

I feel I am already there... cold beverage in hand...

[KellY]

I'm actually in the position of thinking that BRR is a complete loon regarding his rabid attacks on the event and his bizarre assertions about his rights here (If Burning Man is a media company because the internet is media and the LLC is a compnany, that make pretty much every business in the world that ,say, publishes a company newsletter for empoyees a media company too), while agreeing with him wholeheartedly on the Environmental thread.

So, I will limit myself to ignoring his bullshit about the event but maintain dialogue in other spheres. A little more courtesy would go long way though, BRR.

[theCryptofishist]

Nice thought, boys, but that "maybe" makes me think that it's an idle promise. (Think of the source, now.)







Oh where oh where has my little plonk gone?
Oh where oh where can it be?
It kept me from idiots who ranted too long,
Bring back my plonker to me.
Bring back, bring back, oh bring back my plonker to me (to me!)
Bring back, bring back, oh bring back my plonker to me

[DVD Burner]

Oh where oh where has my little plonk gone?
Oh where oh where can it be?
It kept me from idiots who ranted too long,
Bring back my plonker to me.
Bring back, bring back, oh bring back my plonker to me (to me!)
Bring back, bring back, oh bring back my plonker to me

Here it is. <PLONK>

[theCryptofishist]

a complete loon

When I was living in rural California there was a definite "type" who would spend a lot of time reading the constitution and ignoring all other laws. (At least until they were pulled over for driving without liscence and registration--fear would take over then.) It was religious fundimental literalism only with a different source document. Trying to bring up how actual people actually lived was simply too much for them. They couldn't fathom the difference between purities and practicalities. They tended to be marginal people without much in the way of social skills. They could actually be well-informed and intelligent on other issues though.



Our Grinch has always seemed cut from this cloth to me.

[DVD Burner]

My bad. <PLONK>


and as far as:

a complete loon

When I was living in rural California there was a definite "type" who would spend a lot of time reading the constitution and ignoring all other laws. (At least until they were pulled over for driving without liscence and registration--fear would take over then.) It was religious fundimental literalism only with a different source document. Trying to bring up how actual people actually lived was simply too much for them. They couldn't fathom the difference between purities and practicalities. They tended to be marginal people without much in the way of social skills. They could actually be well-informed and intelligent on other issues though.



Our Grinch has always seemed cut from this cloth to me.

it's the fear of being wrong and admitting it.

[dragonfly Jafe]

[quote="BRR"]If you have the right to peaceably assemble on the Playa, do I not have the right to peaceably assemble on the Playa too, same place same time without paying money to a private company for the use of public land? What I would like to do in drive my dune buggy freely and peaceably thoughout the playa without restrictions placed by profit making organizations.. quote]

Citizens of BRC have the "right" to assemble as they do because of a private contract (their ticket) between them and the BM llc. The BM llc has the legal "right" to this space because of a private contract between the BM llc and the BLM.

The closure order that BLM puts into effect temporarily removes BRC from "public land". The government can do this. Try exercising your "right" to the portion of BRD that the BM llc rents, and you will find the error of your thinking.

You could always out-bid the BM llc and rent the BRC space for yourself. Then you would be free to open this space to anyone you choose (or restrict anyone you choose). You could even sell tickets to your event!

regards, Jafe

[Simply Joel]

Ya kno' there isn't any new inhabitable land being created in recent history (volcanic areas aren't all that habitable right after a lava flow).... so, me thinks...

"We all had better learn to get along with one another... 'cause we are running out of space."

[Guest]

Carry a lotta weapons too, always pays to be courteous,, and also not to drive up them side canyons..

Kelly,, I cain't be half right can I?? Back in college I had a climbing buddy, he used to brew his own beer.. Taught me to do the same in my hippie cabin along the Feather River.. He went on and opened a homebrew shop, then got some financial backing and opened a brewery in.... Chico,, he makes a finel pale ale.

[KellY]

Kelly,, I cain't be half right can I?? Back in college I had a climbing buddy, he used to brew his own beer.. Taught me to do the same in my hippie cabin along the Feather River.. He went on and opened a homebrew shop, then got some financial backing and opened a brewery in.... Chico,, he makes a finel pale ale.

Um, I have no idea what you're asking me. And I don't really see how knowing one of the founders of Sierra Nevada Brewing is relevant to anything.

Cryptofish makes a good point. I think all fundamentalists are dangerous and out of touch with reality, be they free-market nuts, 2nd amendment-NRA people, Christians, scientific materialists, whatever.