Drink Spiking (Getting Dosed) is Urban Myth

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:47 am

crawling under desk.
I remember those days.

Deb Prothero · Post by **Deb Prothero** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:50 am

thank goodness the page finally turned - those fish were making me queasy.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:47 am

fish, octopuss.......Deb, not a seafood lover?

Deb Prothero · Post by **Deb Prothero** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:53 am

I love whitefish and yellow perch from the Great Lakes. I like wild salmon from either the Pacific or Atlantic Ocean. And I love sole almondine. I don't mind tuna or salmon for sandwiches. And I don't mind a nice little brook trout now and again.

But I like my fish cooked and not having the texture of rubber.

I don't know what it is about herring that turns me off but I think its the idea of eating it cold or pickled or whatever the Scandinavians do to it.

And I know you're Finnish and you probably love them but you can keep 'em, ygmir. I don't love you any less just because you eat cold fish!

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:21 am

Rainbow trout, heaven.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:33 pm

Deb Prothero wrote:I love whitefish and yellow perch from the Great Lakes. I like wild salmon from either the Pacific or Atlantic Ocean. And I love sole almondine. I don't mind tuna or salmon for sandwiches. And I don't mind a nice little brook trout now and again.

But I like my fish cooked and not having the texture of rubber.

I don't know what it is about herring that turns me off but I think its the idea of eating it cold or pickled or whatever the Scandinavians do to it.

And I know you're Finnish and you probably love them but you can keep 'em, ygmir. I don't love you any less just because you eat cold fish!

edgad *checks for bar of soap/mouthwash for Deb*

a faux pas, Deb, although I'm sure unintended........I'm a Dane.......well, mutt, really (Swede, Irish, English, too), but, 1/2 Dane.......

to be called a Finn............(I love Finns, mean no disrespect, or degradation towards them),
is, to me, well, like looking at my classic Mercedes diesel and saying "nice Buick"...........

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:41 pm

maybe if you wore something that was instantly recognizable as danish we would not get confused, YG ... after all, anyone can tell a mercedes by the symbol.

maybe you could wear a danish!

and nothing else... hee

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:50 pm

well.....

that would make me a breakfast pastry............

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:50 pm

We call them 'mercs' now anyway.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:51 pm

gyre wrote:We call them 'mercs' now anyway.

*noting "we" to Gyre just means all the voices as a collective*

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:00 pm

ygmir wrote:well.....

that would make me a breakfast pastry............

but a tasty one ..... !

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:12 pm

ygmir wrote:
gyre wrote:We call them 'mercs' now anyway.

*noting "we" to Gyre just means all the voices as a collective*

The collective 'we' as used by people with tapeworms?

You lost me there.
I mean we as in car guys.
Use predated the end of mercury by some time, as mercedes became more dominant.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:46 pm

gyre wrote:
ygmir wrote:
gyre wrote:We call them 'mercs' now anyway.

*noting "we" to Gyre just means all the voices as a collective*
You lost me there.
I mean we as in car guys.
Use predated the end of mercury by some time, as mercedes became more dominant

it was a joke......."all the voices (perhaps all your own) as a collective".........

none of my Mercedes pals use "Merc".......most say "Benz"........

not arguing or being contrary, just funnin' ya........

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:49 pm

Ha!
Missed the voices part.
Bit distracted.
Been going through a revolution on another forum.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:58 pm

You idiots. YOu will never learn, will you. Cause you just gave me the opportunity to do this again.

I thank the non-existant gods for the Finns and the Russians!
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Well, at least I'll refrain from saying "A Swede is a turnip with the brains knocked out."

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:15 pm

gyre wrote:Ha!
Missed the voices part.
Bit distracted.
Been going through a revolution on another forum.

I can hardly imagine you being involved in any sort of subversion.............

Deb Prothero · Post by **Deb Prothero** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:29 pm

Forgive the faux pas on your heritage, ygmir. I guess I was going by one of your favourite drinks being from Finland. As usual, an assumption has made an ASS of me and I have no redeeming asslike qualities like our friend DaMule.

Nonetheless the sentiment about cold fish still stands! You can keep 'em.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:55 pm

Deb Prothero wrote:Forgive the faux pas on your heritage, ygmir. I guess I was going by one of your favourite drinks being from Finland. As usual, an assumption has made an ASS of me and I have no redeeming asslike qualities like our friend DaMule.

Nonetheless the sentiment about cold fish still stands! You can keep 'em.

oh please Deb, nothing to forgive........I was just ribbin' ya.............

Well,
I like Becherovka, as well, and, I speak some Czech............

and, adore a good Cognac, but.......*shudder* *can't even think of that implication*................

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:24 pm

ygmir wrote:
gyre wrote:Ha!
Missed the voices part.
Bit distracted.
Been going through a revolution on another forum.
I can hardly imagine you being involved in any sort of subversion.............

Me? Me?

Only the government can create a revolution.
It was kind of amazing.
One line too far was crossed and there was a sudden consensus.
That was it.

The new forum has grown fivefold since I signed in and I was late to the party.
That's in less than a week.
A velvet revolution.

Post by **Sham** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:32 pm

I hate thread drifts. Can we get back to JK and Barbie tearing limbs off each other and beating the other one with them. Get with the program people---stay focused!

dana · Post by **dana** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:45 pm

Shambala wrote:I hate thread drifts. Can we get back to JK and Barbie tearing limbs off each other and beating the other one with them. Get with the program people---stay focused!

Woa. Shambala is reading my mind again.

Yeah, come on people! - none of us are going to be happy until someone admits they were wrong!
(....... or someone gets beaten into submission.)

Maybe its like one of those fights on the playground with two kids going at it with a circle of kids around them. When one tries to back off, the other kids (very thoughtfully) push them back into the fray.

Here, I'll help:

JK, do you seriously think you never posted anything in your own words that sounds very offensive to women?

(OK, someone else give Barbie a little push...)

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:52 pm

Anybody wanna help me beat dana into submission?

Post by **Sham** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:57 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Anybody wanna help me beat dana into submission?

Even a trouble maker like me wants to beat the snot out of dana. Easy does it trigger!

Post by **Elderberry** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:57 pm

No, and if they found offense it was because they read what they wanted to read into the post, not what was actually in the post, which says a whole hell of a lot more about them than it does me. And additionally, based on the fact that I only quoted an article, they certainly directed their unwarranted anger in the wrong direction.

And regarding Barbitch...I have her blocked so I don't give a flying fuck what she says or does.

JK

that good enough for you dana?

dana · Post by **dana** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:07 pm

Maybe it's this thought that sounds a tad offensive?

jkisha wrote:The reason girls report that they were 'drugged' is that it is easier for them to use this as an excuse than to actually admit to themselves that they allowed themselves to drink to the point of intoxication that allowed them to be compromised.
JK

(especially since that conclusion isn't any part of the "news" article.)

You two sissies want a piece of me?

bring em on!!

dana · Post by **dana** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:31 pm

JK, so you know: (and as you said this may have been what you were after in the first place - to sort out a news story.)
The news story is really only just some interviews about attitudes. It doesn't reference actual statistical numbers. It looks like shitty journalism because of the implications. (which you seem to have extrapolated off of?)

Per my first post, there is no real way to know how often GHB has been used in rape cases. It has rapid onset (within minutes), it dissapears quickly (within a half hour for its half life), is metababolized to CO2 (and therefore quickly undetectable completely,) and is not part of a standard tox screen (therefore not looked for in the first place.)

An ER doc facing an intoxicated rape victim has only 2 serious medical concerns: the intoxication (which could compromise breathing/airways, etc.) and collecting the forensic evidence from the rape which could tie the perp to the crime. Once the woman's sensorium clears (as the GHB dissapears) they stop considering the intoxication and focus completely on the forensic evidence. So the ER doc will never even think to look for a drug like GHB in the first place, and has a very short window to do so if they even think of it in the first place.

So to call it an "urban myth" is a little absurd. It has been made illegal as of 1990, but prior to that time was widely available as a supplement for (for body building???!!!!)

Post by **Elderberry** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:44 pm

dana wrote:Maybe it's this thought that sounds a tad offensive?

jkisha wrote:The reason girls report that they were 'drugged' is that it is easier for them to use this as an excuse than to actually admit to themselves that they allowed themselves to drink to the point of intoxication that allowed them to be compromised.
JK
(especially since that conclusion isn't any part of the "news" article.)

You two sissies want a piece of me?

bring em on!!

Actually, it was. This study was highly publicized. I only put one link to one of the articles.

Now say something really controversial.

JK

erbal · Post by **erbal** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:16 pm

jkisha wrote:I just saw a new report on rape and getting drugged. According to this report, women report getting dosed as the reason they were raped. It has now been discovered that the majority, if not all of these cases, there was no GHB or any other date rape drug involved other than alchohol.

The reason girls report that they were 'drugged' is that it is easier for them to use this as an excuse than to actually admit to themselves that they allowed themselves to drink to the point of intoxication that allowed them to be compromised.

This is in no way excusing the fact that the women were raped, whether it be under the influence of alcohol or ghb. It just sheds additional light on the situation.

JK

Haha ... I bet you arent an attractive blonde with legs upto her armpits and boobies the size of basketballs!

Dont you believe it sonny ... even an ugly chuffer like me has been spiked (I know about it because I was with freinds at the time, and they took care of me ... no way I'd drunk enough to behave in the way that I did - just a couple of drinks)

Sounds like you are believing propaganda spread by those who like to spike people.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:27 pm

Sources like rape crisis organizations.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:36 pm

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