Survival

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:42 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:I hate the term "sheeple." Especially in the self-congratulating way burners use it.

I agree, it is dismissive and lazy. I'd like to point out that various denialists also characterize their opponents using this term.

Don't underestimate your opponents, and don't assume that they will always oppose you.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:39 pm

dr.placebo wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:I hate the term "sheeple." Especially in the self-congratulating way burners use it.
I agree, it is dismissive and lazy. I'd like to point out that various denialists also characterize their opponents using this term.

Don't underestimate your opponents, and don't assume that they will always oppose you.

I think it's a pretty darn accurate term, for, general society.......
how folks just go along......as long as they have cable tv, fast food, and hot water in the shower, nothing else matters........

For me,It has nothing to do with intellect, or, underestimating "opponents"......it has to do with being herded and just placidly following.........I rarely underestimate people, and, as with you doc, I feel there are many points we can and do agree on........I see few opponents, mostly, just people that have some differing views......

I'm sure others use it in many ways. I'd also submit, people use many terms with multiple meanings.....

I'd like to see an example of Fishy's "self congratulating" sense.....I'm not sure what is meant by that.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:09 pm

I'll tell you what I hate. Go into a room full of people. Watch all of their interaction. Then turn on a TV. They're all mesmerized. It drags their attention away from everything. Pretty sad.

I was following 2 guys on motorcycles who were going WAY too fast. The lead bike went into a death wobble and tossed Bill down the pavement. When I got to the scene, the other guy Shaun was really shaken up. He said that Bill had flown just like a rag doll. Then he told me that "it was just like on TV"
His reference point for describing reality was television. BTW, he was from Berzerkely. He told everyone on the motorcycle tour to carry rocks in their pockets so that they could break the windshield of anyone who tailgated. He said that all his friends in the bay area carried steel ball bearings to do the job.
I'm not sure if he's still among the living.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:09 am

In order to have any sort of opinion at all, one has to ignore something.
-Charles Fort

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:22 am

Chinese Coincidence?

I'm not really concerned about swine flu. Here's my concern. 3 years ago, Chinese calendar, year of the cow..... Mad Cow disease. 2 years ago, Chinese calendar, year of the bird..... Avian flu. This year, Chinese calendar, year of the pig.... Swine flu. Next year is the year of the cock...... Anybody else worried?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:39 pm

How do you tell if your cock has the flu?

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:07 am

when it feels swollen, combined with colorful discharge, and needs to be blown often?

Post by **Sham** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:43 am

dragonfly Jafe wrote:when it feels swollen, combined with colorful discharge, and needs to be blown often?

What color discharge? This is important!

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:01 am

ygmir wrote:that's a bbaaaaaaaddddddd attitude, mister...........

*looks at Bo Peep for approval*

I prefer pessimistic myself.

Just my observation, IMO

Da Baaaaad One · Post by **Da Baaaaad One** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:52 am

Sail Man wrote:Unfortunately the majority have become sheeple.

Hey Hey Hey!! Stop with the comparing us to people! After all, it is WE who are the master race

ygmir wrote:that's a bbaaaaaaaddddddd attitude, mister...........

*looks at Bo Peep for approval*

Yeah, that Bo Peep is a real Ho, tastes like Mutton

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:29 pm

It's crying time and it's going to get worse.
"With the economy faltering, the number of youngsters living in homes without enough food soared in 2008 from 13 million to nearly 17 million, the Agriculture Department reported last month. "
"The president's aides are focusing on a congressional debate, deferred from this year to next, on how to renew the nation's main child nutrition law. "
OK, so the kids have to wait til next year to eat.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02697.html
Everything that the corporatocracy has done is punitive to families.
What happens when GOV gets tired of extending unemployment? There is NO driver for a return of jobs.
GOV has time to debate health$$$$$$$$$$$$$ WAR$$$$$$$$$$$$ banks$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ CO2$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
But kids,,,, can't find the time. I guess that the kids and our future just aren't as important as locking up tons of money.
The crying is going to get a lot worse in the future. Breaks my heart.

geospyder · Post by **geospyder** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:55 pm

OK stop crying and do something - http://www.foodbankofsocal.org/

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:49 pm

I've been sending some bucks to a group for a few years;
http://www.feedthechildren.org/

geospyder · Post by **geospyder** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:07 pm

I heard about them but prefer to keep my donations local. This year the entire donation budget went to the Food Bank of Northern Nevada. Who knows, maybe someday I may have to use them depending what the government does with Medicare and Social Security.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:34 pm

I read far and wide. I'm a lot more worried about food availability than I am price.
Here's some info i collected for a post somewhere else;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/ ... d-shortage

How many economics departments in academia said anything about an imminent housing bubble? If the economists didn't see any sign of something that was painfully obvious to Schiff, Jantzen, et al,,,, how can academia be so certain of something that is as tenuous as global warming.

I'll buy "climate change",,, sure. NASA and other researchers have all linked it to solar activity. There is a lot of research to show climate change. I was told by one of the foremost researchers that the weather would get very violent after 2010. The trend is colder, not warmer.

It was reported a while ago about 80 million acres of farmland being plowed under in Australia so that trees could be planted,,, to absorb CO2.
Strange,,, I would have thought that fast growing crops would absorb even more CO2.
"109 million Ha (19% of Australia's farm land) of farm land locked up to meet its UNFCCC Kyoto Protocol commitments"

http://www.sosnews.org/
That's 269 million acres. The increasingly violent weather is ruining crops and destroying farmland daily. OZ is in a drought that is supposed to appear once in a thousand years. Now, they have to lock up farmland???
OK, so we produce bio-fuel that locks up farmland. We lock up farmland to store CO2. We pave over 1 million acres a year for urbanization.
One could almost deduce that global warming was being used as an excuse to shut down a lot of agriculture.

As the weather worsens, China will be especially hard hit. They have a long history of weather damage;
http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?it ... ubcatid=65
What happens if we go to all this trouble to mitigate global warming and,,, global cooling is what develops?
There would be a lot of acreage that would be too cold for leaf crops. They would be limited to grass crops.. This happened to Iceland after the 16th century.
I don't trust anyone who screams SO loudly that man is causing the earth to heat up.
For many decades, the world had 110 days of food in reserve.
It's now down to about 27 days. The US has almost nothing in reserve. Call me paranoid

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:19 am

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A very interesting and eye-opening bit of news. Probably not so much for those of you that have been following this closer and longer then I have.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:48 pm

"Jim Randas, former U.S. Intelligence officer, appeared on ABC telling Americans to start stockpiling food."

"The 2010 Food Crisis is different. It is THE CRISIS. The one that makes all doomsday scenarios come true. The government bailouts and central bank interventions, which have held the financial world together during the last two years, will be powerless to prevent the 2010 Food Crisis from bringing the global financial system to its knees."

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/12/2 ... mmies.html
"United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), instead of adjusting production estimates down to reflect decreased production, adjusted estimates upwards to match increasing demand from china. In this way, the USDA has brought supply and demand back into balance (on paper) and temporarily delayed a rise in food prices by ensuring a catastrophe in 2010."
http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/11/w ... -seen.html

The problems can't be that bad. They didn't mention a shortage of bacon.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:08 am

If everyone went out there and bought a year's worth of food - from US sources - then our economy would take off like a bat out of hell.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:51 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:If everyone went out there and bought a year's worth of food - from US sources - then our economy would take off like a bat out of hell.

So would the price.. Here come the piggies to suck on the money teet.

Oldguy · Post by **Oldguy** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:17 pm

Nope, inflation is only predicted to increase 1.5% over next 10 years.

Please check return interest rates on savings, on CD's, and on longterm loans. People have stopped using creditcards as much, due to usury inspired foreign owned banks. Overcharges on overdrafts on debit cards will soon inhibit their use. Right now creditcard companies are locking in their rates, before next years' restrictions start.

I predict that in 2011 will be a revival of cash economy, and decline of open credit raiding of America. 1 of 5 men in my area are unemployed, the "Great Recession" will be with us for at least a decade, maybe two. We've got a six month Spring military offensive coming up in Afganistan. Pullout in July from Iraq, unless they (the Iraqis) invade Iran over the landgrab. Things should really start to pop in late March and the opening of the high passes in Pakistan/ Afgani border areas...

Reducing stockpiles of food staples will encourage planting in the spring, and will in fact lower consumer prices come the harvest. We are still capable of producing ourselves out of this mess. It's what Americans do. We can support the harvests in the Southern Hemisphere buy stocking up now too.

Then we can get on with the next cycle of elections in 2012. Obama's men should restart re-regulation of financial/ business/ political/ industrial complexi.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:27 pm

Regulation of banking and investment is still completely unsatisfactory.

I predicted economic failure as soon as reagan started talking de-regulation.
But only a moron wouldn't have expected these results.

I know many people that were predicting the real estate collapse and so on, right on schedule, and warned many people.
So some people are right on top of these things.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:27 pm

gyre wrote:Regulation of banking and investment is still completely unsatisfactory.

I predicted economic failure as soon as reagan started talking de-regulation.
But only a moron wouldn't have expected these results.

I know many people that were predicting the real estate collapse and so on, right on schedule, and warned many people.
So some people are right on top of these things.

OZ?

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littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:12 pm

gyre wrote:I know many people that were predicting the real estate collapse and so on, right on schedule, and warned many people.
So some people are right on top of these things.

the trick is to be on top of everything, all of the time.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:21 pm

I'm not sure how you mean that reference.
It could apply several ways to this.

By the way, I always thought his best line, which most people didn't even notice, was
"I can't come back.
I don't know how it works."

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:10 pm

littleflower wrote:
gyre wrote:I know many people that were predicting the real estate collapse and so on, right on schedule, and warned many people.
So some people are right on top of these things.
the trick is to be on top of everything, all of the time.

I don't know if that's possible, but it was clearly possible to read through the disinformation about the economy and stay on top of that.
I didn't pay much attention because I wasn't playing in that area, but I wish I had.
It has affected me directly and indirectly and many people I know and in my family.

I watched the Madoff exposÃ© again the other day and the lack of response even after he was exposed remains stunning.

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:58 am

I have always kept a nicely stocked pantry but in light of recent events I feel the need to ramp it up some. I was recently turned onto water bath canning, and as soon as I can will buy a pressure canner as well. I plan to support my local farm markets as well as grow what I can to can and dehydrate. Something else I plan on getting into is long term storage using 5g buckets, gamma lids and O2 absorbers. This technique can be applied to food storage and non-food items as well.

Working every payday to whittle down the list of preps.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:12 am

sailman, the big bakeries buy frozen whole eggs in 5-gal food-grade buckets. Then, they throw them away. I got a couple hundred of them and used dry-ice to store wheat. 4 ounces of dry ice is what is supposed to be correct. After it turns to vapor, I sealed the lid and taped it.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:24 am

Add a dessicant packet if you can. Dry ice has some water moisture in it.

Token · Post by **Token** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:31 am

I assume the dry ice is for displacement of O2, correct?

Can you just use a CO2 bottle to fill the container or is there some magic with the dry ice?

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:58 am

Thread drift:

What is the "calk" used to store water 2000 years ago??

the water was collected from the roof and stored in clay jars, calk was added.

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