Welcome President Obama

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:13 pm

It seems that our current "anti-war" president has sent more troops to war than Bush ever did. http://www.rense.com/general88/obbd.htm
It's costing a pretty penny too;
"the White House estimates that it spends one million dollars per soldier, per year in Afghanistan, "not including the added expense of training and maintaining a security force."
"There was public outcry when Bush drastically raised an already bloated military budget to record highs. But in comes the admired anti-war candidate Obama, in the middle of a severe economic crisis, and what happens? Obama drastically increased Bush's record budget to $651 billion in 2009"
""In fiscal year 2008, the foreign military sales program sold $36 billion in weapons and defense articles, an increase of more than 50% over 2007. Sales for the first half of 2009 reached $27 billion, and could top out at $40 billion by the end of the year"
"But last year, the United States sold arms or military services to well over 100 nations.
the majority of U.S. arms sales to the developing world went to countries that our own State Department defined as undemocratic
regimes and/or major human rights abusers. And over two-thirds of the world's active conflicts involved weapons that had been supplied by the United States."

Hey, no problem. We made lots of bucks. What does it matter how many are killed?
"As former CIA Station Chief John Stockwell explained: "Enemies are necessary for the wheels of the US military machine to turn."
Pretty fucking disgusting.

"The war is not supposed to be winnable, it is supposed to be continuous all for the hierarchy of society The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labor. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable" George Orwell
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"KBR has been paid nearly $32 billion since 2001. In May, April Stephenson, director of the Defense Contract Audit Agency, testified that KBR was linked to 'the vast majority' of war-zone fraud cases and a majority of the $13 billion in 'questioned' or 'unsupported' costs."
That's my buddy Cheney.

"Goldman Sachs, the US bank which made Â£3.19bn profit in just three months, earned $588.82m for bank services and lent $250m to Alliant Techsystems and Textron"
Hey, hey,,, lots of money making cluster bombs.

When did that jerk say that we're going to be out of Iraq or was it Afghanistan,,, or maybe Pakistan.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:32 pm

interesting how silent those who have screamed in the past about the same things........
and, how, they have taken to rationalizing his actions and laying the blame......everywhere........but, not on him....

Post by **Elderberry** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:17 am

ygmir wrote:interesting how silent those who have screamed in the past about the same things........
and, how, they have taken to rationalizing his actions and laying the blame......everywhere........but, not on him....

Silent? Who? He is now fully responsible for both wars. I think his decision on Afghanistan was totally predictable--very Obama--try to make everybody happy. I'm still behind him, he's had just over a year in office now and there has been lots he's had to deal with--more than most presidents have thrown at them; and Washington is still Washington. So I'm just reserving judgment and keeping the faith--at least for the time being.

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:34 am

jkisha wrote:
ygmir wrote:interesting how silent those who have screamed in the past about the same things........
and, how, they have taken to rationalizing his actions and laying the blame......everywhere........but, not on him....
Silent? Who? He is now fully responsible for both wars. I think his decision on Afghanistan was totally predictable--very Obama--try to make everybody happy. I'm still behind him, he's had just over a year in office now and there has been lots he's had to deal with--more than most presidents have thrown at them; and Washington is still Washington. So I'm just reserving judgment and keeping the faith--at least for the time being.

JK

and, that's what I mean.......if it was a "right wing" president, IMHO, you'd be screaming at what a turd he is for what he's done......not reserving judgement at all..........or keeping any faith.......

now, I do understand, supporting the guy you like.
I don't say I fault anyone for that, I was just noting, the "screamers" (not accusing you of being a "screamer".........

), are silent these days.......
also noting that, those opposed to BHO, are not making nearly the noise about him, that, their counterparts would, given the same circumstances.

Just an observation........

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:33 pm

"Obama--try to make everybody happy"
He's not making the Iraqis happy.
He's not making the Afghanis happy.
He's not making the Pakistanis happy.
He's not making the Americans happy,,, except for the war industries.
He's not making the Europeans happy.
He's not making the Russians happy
He's not making the Chinese happy
He's not making the budget office happy.
He's not making soldiers happy. [cutting their benefits]
He's not making ME happy.

He's making the generals happy.
He's making the israelis happy
He's making the oil companies happy [pipelines]
He's making the defense [offense] industry happy.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:58 am

can't sit still wrote:...http://www.rense.com/general88/obbd.htm
...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Rense

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:42 pm

Say something

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:52 pm

*but, wait...... I'm still in love........... I cried that tear with Ohpra!.....*

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:39 pm

The Afghans are not going to become a democratic republic. Look at Iran and Pakistan, those are the shining examples and Afghanistan are the backwater cousins of those places. We are not there to help put Afghan girls into school, or even to keep the Taliban out of politics. The Taliban ARE Afghan politics. That's how they roll there. The one thing they don't want is foreign interference.

We can build roads and do whatever public works projects that they will allow us to do. These will spoil them and help them accept our presence. We also need to point out to them that we are not there to make them change. That we, a foreign power, is just there to get another foreign power, Al Qaeda, out of their land.

That's my plan. It's not something I copy and pasted out of a rag, it's my own thoughts. Okay, some credit to Sun-tzu, fair enough.

Oldguy · Post by **Oldguy** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:07 pm

We have 19 months to place agents-in-place in the 'Stans. Just saying...

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:17 pm

Isn't that what the mujahideen were for?

Oldguy · Post by **Oldguy** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:05 am

eye dune stink sew. osama/obama bee instant tribal terrible story. cap itch?

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:28 am

If your cap is itching, maybe your doctor has something for that.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:16 pm

"At one point in the debate, Obama's top economic advisers demanded the power to award future bailouts without even going to Congress for approval â€” and without providing taxpayers a single dime in equity on the deals."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... lout/print
Fucked by the banks from day 1

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:12 pm

"Power drunk" is the phrase used in this article.
"The Obama administration has now ordered a purging of Republicans from federal government civil service."
"Following orders they have issued new rules -- going back five years --wherein every employee hired, who previously had been a political appointee, will be terminated regardless of cause or poor performance."
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/12/ ... anagement/

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:30 pm

can't sit still wrote:"Power drunk" is the phrase used in this article.
"The Obama administration has now ordered a purging of Republicans from federal government civil service."
"Following orders they have issued new rules -- going back five years --wherein every employee hired, who previously had been a political appointee, will be terminated regardless of cause or poor performance."
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/12/ ... anagement/

wow, ........just, wow........

and, who was yelling at firing some federal attorneys?.......

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:10 pm

Fuck Obama. Fuck the Democrats. And a special, most sincere FUCK YOU to Joe Lieberman who needs to be stripped of every goddamn motherfucking chairmanship, committee position, anything that can be stripped should be stripped. Anything he supports should be voted against categorically, just on cause. I hate that clueless motherfucker. I'll give my last fucking dollar to see that sorry ass fucker tossed out of office.

Karma's a bitch. Next election cycle karma's going to smack that motherfucker out the door and into political retirement where he fucking belongs.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:50 am

can't sit still wrote:It seems that our current "anti-war" president .

Who ever said he was the Anti-War Pres?

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:52 am

isn't he the one who said we'd be out of these wars in short order, implying he's "anti-war"? and, being a liberal, is he not, by definition, supposed to be "anti-war"?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:35 pm

Well, it seems that there is trouble in paradise;
http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/?p=95

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:34 pm

*this passage is classic......hehehe~*

[quote]
Which brings us to the second answer to Mr. Hartâ€™s question. If Democrats think theyâ€™ll be screwed next November because of unemployment, wait till Congress passes this healthcare monstrosity. Or doesnâ€™t. At this point, either way theyâ€™re gonna get slammed for it, and rightly so.

If they donâ€™t pass anything, they will be seen as unable to govern. This perception will be quite true because they will have failed to pass a major piece of legislation, despite having 60-40 majorities in both houses of Congress and control of the presidency. It doesnâ€™t get much better than that for a governing party in the American system. But it will be true in an even more profound sense, because the whole priority structure of the Democratic agenda is wrong. Sure, people want healthcare reform right now (especially if it were to miraculously also have the virtue of being authentic healthcare reform), but what they really want, overwhelmingly, is jobs. This choice of priorities is the equivalent of, say, invading Iraq when youâ€™ve been attacked by people in Afghanistan. Surely no president would be that stupid, right? Surely any political party would realize the costs of having priorities so divorced from those of the voters, right?

On the other hand, the Democrats and their hapless president are probably in worse shape if they actually pass this legislation. Especially now that itâ€™s been stripped of nearly every real progressive reform imaginable, it has become an incredibly stupid bill, from the political perspective. It will force people who canâ€™t afford it to spend a giant amount of money on lousy insurance, without any real choice to hold down costs, and it will fund this by hacking away at the Medicare budget. No wonder an insurance industry lobbyist broadcast an email last week declaring: â€œWe WIN. Administered by private insurance companies. No government funding. No government insurance competitor.â€

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:35 am

ygmir wrote:isn't he the one who said we'd be out of these wars in short order, implying he's "anti-war"? and, being a liberal, is he not, by definition, supposed to be "anti-war"?

Well Yg, as a liberal and two-time serviceman, I don't have a definition, as much as a point of view.

War is ugly, not fun. If you're going to fight a war, make sure it's for the right reasons, make sure you're on the right side, and fight smart, tactically and strategically. Don't waste your soldiers' lives and make a plan to finish and get the hell out of there as soon as possible.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:16 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:
ygmir wrote:isn't he the one who said we'd be out of these wars in short order, implying he's "anti-war"? and, being a liberal, is he not, by definition, supposed to be "anti-war"?
Well Yg, as a liberal and two-time serviceman, I don't have a definition, as much as a point of view.

War is ugly, not fun. If you're going to fight a war, make sure it's for the right reasons, make sure you're on the right side, and fight smart, tactically and strategically. Don't waste your soldiers' lives and make a plan to finish and get the hell out of there as soon as possible.

well, yeah. You're own definition seems to make you anti-war, does it not?

so......

by the way, I'm anti-war, and, agree with your statement.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:06 pm

Of course Obama is just like a married man, says anything he has to say to get in, and anything he has to say to stay in.

Why are we bothering the Taliban? That just riles us the population against us. We're not there to make their girls wear bikinis. (Though it does bring up a charming image.)

Oldguy · Post by **Oldguy** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:16 pm

Great green globs of greasy, grimy gopher guts,
Mutilated monkey meat
Dirty little birdie feet.
Great green globs of greasy, grimy gopher guts,
And me without my spoon.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:00 pm

new meds, OG?

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:32 pm

Kailua!

Thanks a lot jackass!

Now it's ruined.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:33 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:Kailua!

Thanks a lot jackass!

Now it's ruined.

huh?

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:35 pm

never mind, I clicked your link.......how could the good socialist engender such profiteering?.......dang.........

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:53 am

I'll talk you through it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kailua,_Ho ... ty,_Hawaii
Fairly nice part of Oahu. Now every yuppie in the world will want to develop property in Kailua, just to have some of Barack's manna. Driving prices out of the reach of working stiffs like you and me.

His visits usually help local businesses, however.

"Anytime the president of the United States comes to Hawaii it's a good thing. Anytime he comes on vacation it's even better. So, that worldwide exposure is second to none. It's priceless," Hawaii Tourism Authority President Mike McCartney said.