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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:16 pm

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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:18 pm

Great post CBA, here's another one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie
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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:24 pm

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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:25 pm

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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:28 pm

Moxie Outsold Coca Cola!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.jphs.org/20thcentury/moxie-s ... -cola.html
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Post by Sham » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:40 pm

Who doesn't love Moxie! It's not only an iconic tonic, but it's avatarishly cool! :roll:

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Post by Elderberry » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:23 pm

I never heard of it before. What part of the country was it marketed in?

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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:22 pm

check out the links, you can buy it online. Oregon and Calif have it now , but only in weird specialty stores
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Post by Sham » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:19 am

jkisha wrote:I never heard of it before. What part of the country was it marketed in?

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This was very big in the northeast 40-50 years ago. It's still made today, but the numbers are way down. If you can find it in a grocery store, they only have a small section for it. It has kind of a strong taste, and it takes a bit getting used to. Kids think it tastes like cough syrup, but I really enjoy it.
After seeing the post today, I had to drink a bottle of it.

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Post by Elderberry » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:48 am

Thanks

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Post by Oldguy » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:53 am

In cinema history: ouside a theatre lobby near the street, Eddie Foy in a cameo apperance greets Bob Hope with a bottle in hand. " Want some moxie?" Bob answers, " I got plenty of my own moxie. " Double meaning was that he had enough courage/ability/huhtspa already.

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Post by wedeliver » Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:00 am

Here on the West Coast, in Los Angeles, Santa Monica there was Zuckies Deli and the drink I loved there was

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Although I understand that it was a Chicago beverage that was not nationally produced.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:56 pm

Shambala wrote:Who doesn't love Moxie! It's not only an iconic tonic, but it's avatarishly cool! :roll:
Don't you know it impolite to point at people!


The government always know how to ruin a great concoction- The Food and Drug Act demanded ingredient changes for Moxie twice. In 1906, cocaine was outlawed and in the early 1960s sassafras was banned. Gentian root and wintergreen remain as ingredients, maintaining the original taste.

GEntian Root and wintergreen is boring!

Lots of sassafras growning on the east coast. Maybe I'll get that old chemistry set out from college.

Commercial "sassafras oil" generally is a by-product of camphor production in Asia or comes from related trees in Brazil. Safrole is a precursor for the clandestine manufacture of the drug MDMA (ecstasy)

Safrole, a colorless or slightly yellow oil, extracted from the root-bark or the fruit of sassafras plants is the primary precursor for all manufacture of MDMA. There are numerous synthetic methods available in the literature to convert safrole into MDMA via different intermediates. One common route is via the MDP2P (3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propanone, also known as piperonyl acetone) intermediate. This intermediate can be produced in at least two different ways. One method is to isomerize safrole in the presence of a strong base to isosafrole and then oxidize isosafrole to MDP2P. Another, reportedly better method, is to make use of the Wacker process to oxidize safrole directly to the MDP2P (3,4-methylenedioxy phenyl-2-propanone) intermediate. This can be done with a palladium catalyst. Once the MDP2P intermediate has been produced it is then consumed via a reductive amination to form MDMA as the product.

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In the United States, MDMA was legal and unregulated until May 31, 1985, at which time it was emergency scheduled to DEA Schedule I, for drugs deemed to have no medical uses and a high potential for abuse. During DEA hearings to schedule MDMA, most experts recommended DEA Schedule III prescription status for the drug, due to beneficial usage of MDMA in psychotherapy. The judge overseeing the hearings, Francis Young, also recommended that MDMA be placed in Schedule III. Nonetheless, the DEA chose to ignore the ruling of its own Administrative Law Judge and unilaterally classified MDMA as Schedule I.[43] In 2001, responding to a mandate from the U.S. Congress, the U.S. Sentencing Commission, resulted in an increase in the penalties for MDMA by nearly 3,000%,[44] despite scientific protest calling for a decrease in the penalties for MDMA possession and distribution.[45] The increase makes 1 gram of MDMA (four pills at 250 mg per pill's total weight regardless of purity, standard for Federal charges) equivalent to 1 gram of heroin (approximately fifty doses) or 2.2 pounds (1 kg) of marijuana for sentencing purposes at the federal level.

I really hate the DEA!

And Moxie does taste like Bitters

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Post by cowboyangel » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:49 pm

Moxie is for men, and women with hair on their nipples.
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Post by Sham » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:22 pm

In the old days, someone having Moxie was considered a compliment. As was already mentioned, it was balls, chutzpa, nerve, spunk etc. Someone with charisma was said to have a lot of Moxie!
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:30 pm

cowboyangel wrote:Moxie is for men, and women with hair on their nipples.
Damn it must be that all the women I date now are drinking Moxie

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Post by betrdanevr » Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:24 pm

wedeliver wrote:Here on the West Coast, in Los Angeles, Santa Monica there was Zuckies Deli and the drink I loved there was

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Although I understand that it was a Chicago beverage that was not nationally produced.
You should be able to get it now, I would think:

http://www.drpeppersnapplegroup.com/brands/vernors/

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:00 pm

I just scored! Found an old moxie bottle in an dump that dates back to the 1860's. Found it just lying on the ground and in good condition with raised embossed Moxie on it. 7 oz size slightly green!

Worth about $16

Gotta go back someday and do some digging and maybe find some of those miracle elixirs!

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Post by theCryptofishist » Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:59 pm

wedeliver wrote:Here on the West Coast, in Los Angeles, Santa Monica there was Zuckies Deli and the drink I loved there was

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Although I understand that it was a Chicago beverage that was not nationally produced.
But it is still available. And so much better than Canada Dry or any of that crap. I don't know how it compares to the modern ginger beers.

And never buy ginger ale in an aluminum can. You can just about taste the alzheimer's on the back of your tongue.
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Post by ygmir » Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:16 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
wedeliver wrote:Here on the West Coast, in Los Angeles, Santa Monica there was Zuckies Deli and the drink I loved there was

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Although I understand that it was a Chicago beverage that was not nationally produced.
But it is still available. And so much better than Canada Dry or any of that crap. I don't know how it compares to the modern ginger beers.

And never buy ginger ale in an aluminum can. You can just about taste the alzheimer's on the back of your tongue.
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Post by gaminwench » Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:55 pm

don't hold back!!!

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Post by epic_elite » Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:51 pm

Shambala wrote:
I really hate the DEA!

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it's pretty typical for a drug to get scheduled according to it's potential for abuse and not necessarily for its potential for use in medicine.

in oregon, they scheduled pseudoephedrine for it's potential for abuse. In some states they just made it prescription only. but here, they felt it necessary to controll on a higher lvl.

see also marajuana, which is common knowledge enough that i don't feel i need to ellaborate.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:04 pm

I can't believe how they really destroyed Coca Cola! Now the High Fructose Corn Syrup they put in it actually slows you down!

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:11 am

Welcome back AIIZ! You know if you go to a Mexican store you can get Coca-Cola with pure cane sugar!

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