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Another foreign solo first-time burner needing some advice!

Post by mjonathan » Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:06 am

Hey there!

I'm a first-timer planning to come solo all the way from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: I came to know about Burning Man just some two weeks ago when reading about Temporal Autonomous Zones, and the whole idea of this thing sounds awesome!

So, I've been reading around and thinking about how to prepare myself and be as self-reliant as possible, but I sure could use some direct advice from the experts.

Thing is, I'll be arriving and leaving by plane (to and from Reno) and, to add a little spice to it, I'll have to leave to Spain (not home!) on Saturday, so I'll probably be leaving Burning Man on Friday.

And here is my basic plan so far: rent a small car at Reno (or somewhere else) and, ahm, live in it. I figured that wouldn't be too expensive, would spare me the complication of bringing a tent along, and would essentially make me self-reliant for getting there with all that water and food and leaving early. Plus it will serve to lock my stuff and provide me with radio, lights and other car comforts.

So, my questions are:
- Will the rental company mind if I take their car into the desert?
- Is this just stupid? Meaning: is it simply impossible to manage living in a car out there? (I'm a pretty small guy, don't think I'll mind sleeping in it)

I'm still not sure about showers and overall hygiene under this plan. The best self-reliant solution I thought so far is to do it "the French way" with a little towel and a basin. But it does sound a little lame..

The alternatives I see are renting an RV (way too expensive and, overall, sounds too much) and going along with a theme camp. Theme camp sounds a little awkward because I'll have to be leaving early anyways, but maybe that's nothing compared to living in a car..?

Good to be here at ePlaya! (can't wait for the physical one though.. ;) )

Cheers
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Post by Elderberry » Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:16 pm

Hey there, welcome to eplaya!

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(not so sure about living in the car thing...uncomfortable, hot, and will probably get so dirty/dusty from all the in and out, you wouldn't be able to afford the cleaning fees.)
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Re: Another foreign solo first-time burner needing some advi

Post by bm_cricket » Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:23 pm

mjonathan wrote:Hey there!

I'm a first-timer planning to come solo all the way from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: I came to know about Burning Man just some two weeks ago when reading about Temporal Autonomous Zones, and the whole idea of this thing sounds awesome!

So, I've been reading around and thinking about how to prepare myself and be as self-reliant as possible, but I sure could use some direct advice from the experts.

Thing is, I'll be arriving and leaving by plane (to and from Reno) and, to add a little spice to it, I'll have to leave to Spain (not home!) on Saturday, so I'll probably be leaving Burning Man on Friday.

And here is my basic plan so far: rent a small car at Reno (or somewhere else) and, ahm, live in it. I figured that wouldn't be too expensive, would spare me the complication of bringing a tent along, and would essentially make me self-reliant for getting there with all that water and food and leaving early. Plus it will serve to lock my stuff and provide me with radio, lights and other car comforts.

So, my questions are:
- Will the rental company mind if I take their car into the desert?
- Is this just stupid? Meaning: is it simply impossible to manage living in a car out there? (I'm a pretty small guy, don't think I'll mind sleeping in it)

I'm still not sure about showers and overall hygiene under this plan. The best self-reliant solution I thought so far is to do it "the French way" with a little towel and a basin. But it does sound a little lame..

The alternatives I see are renting an RV (way too expensive and, overall, sounds too much) and going along with a theme camp. Theme camp sounds a little awkward because I'll have to be leaving early anyways, but maybe that's nothing compared to living in a car..?

Good to be here at ePlaya! (can't wait for the physical one though.. ;) )

Cheers
Milton
If you can afford the rental and cleaning fee it's probably something you can make happen. If you live in your car it will get dirty. Not just your average run of the mill filthy.. this isn't "oh, I'll spend 4 hours cleaning it with a toothbrush" kind of dirty.. It will get filthy. You'll need specialized advice on keeping your rental car clean. I would suggest that instead of sleeping in your car you make a trip to a few camping stores in or around Reno/Sparks and you get a cheap camping tent.

It can be done. Many people do what you are talking about doing. You should also hit-up the couch surfing camp. I can't remember what their contact info is but they are friendly people and if you come in as an independent, well researched person they would probably welcome you with open... couch?

And be sure to read through the forum for tips on your kind of travel. It's been discussed time and time again but for more up-to-the minute advice on friendly rental companies and their issues lets hope someone chimes in.

Also, when will you be flying into Reno?

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Post by theCryptofishist » Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:32 pm

"French" bathing is fine. Make sure you have an empty container to pour your grey water into.
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Post by mudpuppy000 » Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:51 pm

I sleep in the back of my SUV when I'm camping. Extremely comfortable, secure and quiet. :) It gets hotter than hell when the sun comes up though, so you need some sort of shade structure to sit under after the sun rises.

The car radio kills the battery pretty quick, so I wouldn't run it out there. You can get a cheap radio that would work a lot better.

As far as bathing, I used a squirt bottle and washcloth. Just enough water to get clean and you don't have to worry about dumping a bunch of greywater. There's also some no-rinse body wash you can get also. I'm going to try that this year.

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Post by C.f.M. » Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:56 pm

French bath?

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Post by FaeTora » Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:01 pm

C.f.M. wrote:French bath?

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Post by Eric » Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:41 pm

FaeTora wrote:I think that is the most unattractive kiss between two women I have this year.
I think you can widen that to "most unattractive kiss between two people". *shudder*
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Post by C.f.M. » Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:58 pm

Well, shit. There goes my chance with Eric.

Kissing? I thought we were talking about bathing. I'm thinking of getting one of these. No grey water to worry about evaporating.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:15 pm

It's also going to get very hot in your car. If you can put some sort of shade structure over it, then maybe it will be tolerable.

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Post by mudpuppy000 » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:34 pm

C.f.M. wrote:French bath?

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Are they twiddling tongues? lol

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Post by gyre » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:39 am

A van will work better if you can get one, but cheap tent is an option.

Read about dust and crappy tents though. ie mesh

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Post by mjonathan » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:30 am

Thanks for the replies people!

Hey, funny how these threads easily deteriorate (evolve?) into some random direction (just because I mentioned the French people..)

Anyway.. so, I guess my question "Is this just stupid?" was basically answered by a big "yes" (unless I get a good shade structure on top of it)

Hmm, I was really hoping having a white/silver car, using aluminium foils in the windows, opening it up early evening or morning (to ventilate) and turning on air-conditioning if staying in it in the afternoon would do the trick. Is air-conditioning (with the car turned on of course) not an option for some 3 hours per day? (I read that it may trash the air filters). Also not sure about the cleaning fees from the rental: couldn't I just bring it before to a good car wash in Reno (or do they all run when they see burners coming back??)

About the overall filthiness, I was also hoping having lots of spare sheets to cover things up would help (that and obviously not opening the door when the wind is blowing too much).

Getting a tent sounds doesn't really sound too good for me, since I would have to leave it behind. Is a "cheap" one $300 or are there cheaper ones around? (or are the cheaper ones just full of meshes?) Aside from that (and getting myself a good mattress), I'm not too confident about cheap tents standing the wind storms out there.. A car sounds sturdier :P And finally: does anybody ever ventilate anything out there without the dust taking over??

Guess I have to chew on this thing more, read more topics, etc (there's a hell lot of stuff to read around here!). Finding a nice theme camp to join sounds like an option then, but somehow that feels a little like I will be depending too much on others, and that sorta hurts the idea of being out there as a free bird..

bm_cricket: is the couch surfing camp just for extra amenities, or do you actually camp with them, share food, etc? (they're not too hard to find on google, just asking you before I ask them :P)

gyre: yeah, maybe I could go for a van, if it's not too expensive (provided the rest above about sheets, ventilation, air-conditioning and car wash can work)

mudpuppy: you were the only one to abide the "French bathing" strategy. I wonder if that has to do with your nickname?? But seriously, I AM thinking if doing it that way would simply turn the dust in my skin into mud! Is it really doable then?

Thanks for all the info guys, lots of homework to do...

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Post by AntiM » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:45 am

Running the AC without driving the car will eventually kill the battery.

You can get low cost tents, and they are not too hard to donate to other people. We can give you a small radio if we know beforehand and make arrangements for you to pick it up (I have a very easy camp to find.)

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Post by AntiM » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:48 am

Running the AC without driving the car will eventually kill the battery.

You can get low cost tents, and they are not too hard to donate to other people. We can give you a small radio if we know beforehand and make arrangements for you to pick it up (I have a very easy camp to find.) Heck, I can get tents for $25 or $30 bucks right now. PM me, I'm feeling helpful this morning.

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Post by bm_cricket » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:38 am

mjonathan wrote: bm_cricket: is the couch surfing camp just for extra amenities, or do you actually camp with them, share food, etc? (they're not too hard to find on google, just asking you before I ask them :P)
My understanding of their camp is that it's a communal space. You could camp with them in which case I'm sure they have rules and probably dues/fees. Otherwise I've just heard that it's a fun group of largely international people who enjoy the company of other fun people from all over.

Do your own research, I've never camped with them, but I bumped into a few of them last year and they were fun folk.
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Post by gyre » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:57 am

There is a wash that does full detail for $30 to $70.
I ran through the basic for $10, after using a help yourself vacuum at a car wash.
Well worth it.

You could detail the inside yourself, if desired.
A cargo van is easier to clean too.

I don't run air on the playa at all.

People have done this, but better to plan to sleep elsewhere during the day, if you have to.
A small tent, can be shaded easier.
Even a cover helps.

Once it is so hot you have to vent, you've lost the battle anyway.
I didn't open a window all week last year, and cool until 1 pm.
Good shade material, barely spaced off the tent.
I did humidify the tent, though some say that quits working.

Covering windows does help.

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Post by snake » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:27 am

my kid sleeps in his car all the time. mainly cause he's passed out from a night of partying. he leaves the windows open. once it's too hot...he seeks shade somewhere.

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Post by bm_cricket » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:48 am

snake wrote:my kid sleeps in his car all the time. mainly cause he's passed out from a night of partying. he leaves the windows open. once it's too hot...he seeks shade somewhere.
I drive on the playa with my convertible top down.. but I don't mind the dust. Enterprise rental company does. Oooooh god do they care...
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Post by mjonathan » Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:49 am

Hello again folks!
So, I'm back here now that I have a new nephew girl..
OK, so I guess renting car + sleeping in it won't work (unless I feel like having nice long arguments with the rental people)
AntiM: took me a while to notice your 2nd post was different from the first! A tent for $25-30 bucks sounds nice! I'll PM you to see how that can be done (and if it still can be done), and what to do with it when I leave.
Guess in that case I'd also have to get some rebars right? (I was reading about regular tents being blown away without those). And then again, I'd need a hammer too to punch them in.. I saw that I could get rebars for around $5 each.. or are there "used ones from the last burn" around?
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Post by C.f.M. » Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:03 am

Nephew = sibling's son

Niece = sibling's daughter

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Post by Elorrum » Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:35 am

AntiM wrote:Running the AC without driving the car will eventually kill the battery.
I'm pretty sure you have to have the engine on to run the air conditioning. I could be wrong.

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Post by mjonathan » Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:47 pm

Arrrc, niece, yeah niece.. oh gods.. well, now it's gone (I did try to edit that post though, too bad I can only do it within 60 min)

Elorrum: you're not wrong, surely you need the engine on to turn on AC; all cars I know don't allow AC to kick in if it's not so. But I didn't know you needed to actually drive the car to prevent the battery from dying out.. As far as I knew old cars did need you to drive to recharge the battery, but modern ones happily recharged batteries just by having the engine on. Maybe it just doesn't recharge that much, I guess..

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Post by AntiM » Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:34 pm

If you are willing to not run your car for AC, you could register and camp in Hushville. We can bring one spare tent which we would need back, but we'd have stakes and a tarp and help you set up for your first time. Second year, LOL, you should be an expert. Hushville is a village which allows no generators, including running a car for power. But it is full of great people who are happy to show a newbie the ropes. Let me know, we can either buy a tent and you can pay us, or you can borrow tent as long as we get it back.

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Post by mjonathan » Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:39 pm

Hello again folks..

So, looks like I'm going to Hushville!

Now, here comes another issue I was thinking about: coolers. I really won't bring a cooler from home for obvious reasons. Buying a fancy cooler is also quite out of the question. So, my initial idea was.. a standard cheap styrofoam cooler.
But then I go and read about styrofoam coolers being a big no-no, since they turn into a million pieces out there at the mercy of the desert's unforgiving winds.

So I ask: is that so even if I keep the cooler (and the stuff in it) always inside the trunk of the car?? I surely won't go around opening it in the middle of a dust storm..

What do you guys think?

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Post by gyre » Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:07 pm

Obvious?

There are heavy styrofoam coolers.
Don't know how they handle water.

May not be easy to find.

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Post by mjonathan » Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:33 pm

Ok.. heavy or not, does anybody know where to find styrofoam coolers in Reno?

Man, I just realized: sorry for the ignorance, but are stores in Reno [i]open[/i] on Sundays and/or Saturday afternoons?? Because that will be the time that I'll have for getting my supplies!..

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Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:35 pm

It's america. Grocery stores and the evil walmart are open "24/7".
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Post by mjonathan » Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:07 pm

Cool! (even though it's evil). Although I would think that even at Walmart I would have a hard time finding a styrofoam cooler. Or do they have everything, even that??

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Post by AntiM » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:08 am

They have even that. Although they do have other coolers which are surprisingly cheap.

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