The Dream Act...

Rabbi Dali Rick · Post by **Rabbi Dali Rick** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:40 am

How do you feel about this attempt to make a path to citicenship via education or service in one of the armed forces.

The Dream Act would give conditional green cards for undocumented immigrants if they graduate from high school and attend college or military service. After a period of 10 years of waiting, they could obtain permanent residence if they met all the requirements, and they could eventually apply for citizenship.

They say there is a 54%, against right now.

the rebbi

weirdscience · Post by **weirdscience** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:49 pm

i am a immigrant im originally from argentina but thats bull im sorry the school thing is not that bad but the military thing is straight up bullshit. pardon my french. o youll become a resident if you go to war.. but one thing you might die.. so even if you do die not even your family gets it . wana play with luck? .. thats bull

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:21 pm

My friend Muhammed was granted automatic citizenship...having fought against the Soviets in Afghanistan... ahhh! those were the days!

Aiee! It burns! · Post by **Aiee! It burns!** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:25 pm

I sneaked unto citizenship the old fashion way, by squeezing thru a gap smaller than my head .

Dr. Pyro · Post by **Dr. Pyro** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:27 pm

In my opinion military service should be a requirement for an immigrant to become a citizen. Especially if they're from Argentina.

weirdscience · Post by **weirdscience** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:35 pm

Dr. Pyro wrote:In my opinion military service should be a requirement for an immigrant to become a citizen. Especially if they're from Argentina.

.... no comment

o dr you and your comments

moonrise · Post by **moonrise** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:08 pm

Your vote choices were well thought out.

I've worked for good employers and bad...the best put education/experience before most anything else when hiring, and hiring from within. ('cept they secretly were always on the look out for fresh blood/ideas...and meat!)

If/when the greed factor was held in check, it worked out well.
This wasn't always easy but well worth it while it lasted (it didn't always last)

"If properly applied" is not easy to accomplish, that's for sure.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:51 pm

Basically pro. Our immigration "system" is a total farce. I'd add other forms of service, besides military.

And hey, thanks everyone for being civil. Or in Doc's case, as civil as possible.

moonrise · Post by **moonrise** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:16 pm

I try to be civil.

The companies I worked for were big Hotels, some were incredibly good employers, usually the ones that hired with a keen eye for education.

I'm curious where else could "dream act" immigrants devote themsleves?
Volunteerism for our aging population? Ecology?

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:39 pm

weirdscience wrote:i am a immigrant im originally from argentina but thats bull im sorry the school thing is not that bad but the military thing is straight up bullshit. pardon my french. o youll become a resident if you go to war.. but one thing you might die.. so even if you do die not even your family gets it . wana play with luck? .. thats bull

Just wondering if you realize that we are in two wars? I'd bet you'd also be against reinstating the draft too, right? So, while our country is at war, and are troupes are sacrificing life and limb, what are you doing to aid in the war effort?

Nothing! Just like everybody else. Which is one of the major problems with the citizenry today. No sacrifice required--just entitlement to all that those who sacrifice and die for help to provide. Now that's bull.

JK

weirdscience · Post by **weirdscience** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:00 pm

jkisha wrote:
weirdscience wrote:i am a immigrant im originally from argentina but thats bull im sorry the school thing is not that bad but the military thing is straight up bullshit. pardon my french. o youll become a resident if you go to war.. but one thing you might die.. so even if you do die not even your family gets it . wana play with luck? .. thats bull
Just wondering if you realize that we are in two wars? I'd bet you'd also be against reinstating the draft too, right? So, while our country is at war, and are troupes are sacrificing life and limb, what are you doing to aid in the war effort?

Nothing! Just like everybody else. Which is one of the major problems with the citizenry today. No sacrifice required--just entitlement to all that those who sacrifice and die for help to provide. Now that's bull.

JK

we are in 2 wars cus 1 we r supposed to be in and the other is straight up oil bs wmd's my ass and yes i am agaisnt draft sorry forcing people to fight is not my liking also right now i dont like the military ive had 6 friends go to the war ..4 of em came back in coffins 2 of them are missing limbs and one is deaf im sorry that we dont agree but trying to give me that whole ... what are you doing for the country guilt trip aint gonna work its been tried on me try harder what im doing for my country is living life not shooting people and working for the so called american "dream"

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:34 am

sorry wierdscience..were just as fucked up as your country.

Fire_Moose · Post by **Fire_Moose** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:38 am

weirdscience wrote:so even if you do die not even your family gets it . wana play with luck? .. thats bull

If yer good, you don't need luck.

lonestoner916 · Post by **lonestoner916** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:24 pm

Fire_Moose wrote:
weirdscience wrote:so even if you do die not even your family gets it . wana play with luck? .. thats bull

If yer good, you don't need luck.

Rather be lucky than good any day!!!

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:28 pm

lonestoner916 wrote:
Fire_Moose wrote:
weirdscience wrote:so even if you do die not even your family gets it . wana play with luck? .. thats bull

If yer good, you don't need luck.

Rather be lucky than good any day!!!

I live that...........+1 for LS

weirdscience · Post by **weirdscience** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:51 pm

TomServo wrote:sorry wierdscience..were just as fucked up as your country.

my country is the usa ive lived here for 15 of my 20 years of life

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:47 pm

weirdscience wrote:
TomServo wrote:sorry wierdscience..were just as fucked up as your country.
my country is the usa ive lived here for 15 of my 20 years of life

I hear you! My country is California...been here 30 years of my life.

maryanimal · Post by **maryanimal** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:14 pm

I'll have to read up on the Dream Act before posting an informed answer. But I'm enjoying all the posts so far! Lots of emotional banter.

maryanimal · Post by **maryanimal** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:16 pm

All this talking about the Dream Act has me working up an appetite!

Post by **Elderberry** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:14 am

ygmir wrote:
lonestoner916 wrote:
Fire_Moose wrote:
If yer good, you don't need luck.

Rather be lucky than good any day!!!
I live that...........+1 for LS

"Lucky" people are only lucky BECAUSE they are good (read PREPARED).

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:20 am

jkisha wrote:
ygmir wrote:
lonestoner916 wrote:
Rather be lucky than good any day!!!
I live that...........+1 for LS
"Lucky" people are only lucky BECAUSE they are good (read PREPARED).

JK

a good point, that.

but, I wish I could remember the quote.
It has to do with:

good is good, but, lucky will take you past it.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:43 am

jkisha wrote:
ygmir wrote:
lonestoner916 wrote:
Rather be lucky than good any day!!!
I live that...........+1 for LS
"Lucky" people are only lucky BECAUSE they are good (read PREPARED).

JK

Plenty of unlucky people are also good, alas.

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