Birthers

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:38 am

TomServo wrote:Ygmir..I told you it was silly! But political games are downright nasty these days! And Obama's election, really shows how Racist this country still is! When idiots like Bush Jr. or Sarah Palin get soo much support, its a clear indication that we are about to split as a country.

TS, with all due respect,,,, WTF does racism have to do with it?

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:43 am

Trishntek wrote:
TomServo wrote:Ygmir..I told you it was silly! But political games are downright nasty these days! And Obama's election, really shows how Racist this country still is! When idiots like Bush Jr. or Sarah Palin get soo much support, its a clear indication that we are about to split as a country.
TS, with all due respect,,,, WTF does racism have to do with it?

I'll go with: TnT's question for 500, Tom.........

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:55 am

Trishntek wrote:
TomServo wrote:Ygmir..I told you it was silly! But political games are downright nasty these days! And Obama's election, really shows how Racist this country still is! When idiots like Bush Jr. or Sarah Palin get soo much support, its a clear indication that we are about to split as a country.
TS, with all due respect,,,, WTF does racism have to do with it?

We'll I'm against it, for one thing. And, alot of seemingly decent people have put out some blatantly racist shit, since he was elected. My father included.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:37 am

what's the difference, really, in "joking" (may or may not be funny/hurtful) about someones race, religion, heritage, parents, wealth, intellect, appearance, etc, etc.

yup, it can certainly be hurtful. but, to me, they're all the same.

and, it's getting "old" when every time someone disagrees, or opines against Obama, people pull the "race card".

it's ok to not like him.
it's ok to tease him.
it's ok to disagree with him.
And, it's not all, (or I'd bet even very much) about his genetics.

He's the prez. it comes with the territory.

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:09 am

I'm a ferevent oppnent of "playing the race card!" But I will call racism out, when I see it. This coming from someone who's made it a hobby, to offend people.

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:41 am

Never mind, wrong thread

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:27 pm

TomServo wrote:Ygmir..I told you it was silly! But political games are downright nasty these days! And Obama's election, really shows how Racist this country still is! When idiots like Bush Jr. or Sarah Palin get soo much support, its a clear indication that we are about to split as a country.

ahhhhhh, BULLSHIT!

if anything people are tippy toeing around him in order not to offend.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:33 pm

And this is racist how?

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:37 pm

TomServo wrote: We'll I'm against it, for one thing. And, alot of seemingly decent people have put out some blatantly racist shit, since he was elected. My father included.

Again bullshit.
More like don't pick on my hero...

don't like all the blatant bullshit myself.
but I think your crying crocodile tears.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:43 pm

All that was needed to make fun of, or condemn bush was to quote him.

I have had black muslims tell me that what I said is offensive, as though that is the whole story.
My response is that the truth is often offensive.

I was quoting Malcolm X word for word, in that case.
I seem to know more about him than they did.
It wasn't an intent to offend though, just part of the discussion.
Some things have to be said.

They have to draw their own conclusions.

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:08 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:And this is racist how?

So it is ok to photo shop a pic of one president as a monkey
but not another?

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:12 pm

gyre wrote:All that was needed to make fun of, or condemn bush was to quote him.

Without a doubt.
But then when people make as many speeches, as politicians do they all slip up at sometime or another.

big deal

Obama, is a great speaker, even he has had a few moments.
Biden is almost as bad as Bush was.

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:30 pm

jkisha wrote:
Medicare and medicaid should not be a problem today except that sometime back when I was in my twenties some republicans were convinced by corporate inetersts to privatize medicine because it would keep costs down and even lower costs because of competition in the free market place. Up until that point, it was all not for profit, and affordable for most everyone.

hmmm, are your sure it wasn't the democrats?

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:53 pm

goathead wrote:
TomServo wrote:Ygmir..I told you it was silly! But political games are downright nasty these days! And Obama's election, really shows how Racist this country still is! When idiots like Bush Jr. or Sarah Palin get soo much support, its a clear indication that we are about to split as a country.

ahhhhhh, BULLSHIT!

if anything people are tippy toeing around him in order not to offend.

But, Bush was a retard! These are just realistic.

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:20 pm

goathead wrote:
Ugly Dougly wrote:And this is racist how?
So it is ok to photo shop a pic of one president as a monkey
but not another?

I'm not naive when it comes to politics, but frankly I don't recall ever seeing those pics of Bush before. I think that is saying something just in and of itself. Though what it is saying, I'm not exactly sure.

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:21 pm

jkisha wrote:
goathead wrote:
Ugly Dougly wrote:And this is racist how?
So it is ok to photo shop a pic of one president as a monkey
but not another?
I'm not naive when it comes to politics, but frankly I don't recall ever seeing those pics of Bush before. I think that is saying something just in and of itself. Though what it is saying, I'm not exactly sure.

LMAO
Frankly I would think any self respecting animal would be insulted if a politicians face was photoshopped over theirs.
except maybe a honey badger
honey badger don't give a shit.

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:27 pm

TomServo wrote: But, Bush was a retard! These are just realistic.

and obama isn't

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:42 pm

and whoever the next president is will have his/her face photoshopped
over various animals/bodies/body parts/ piles of whatever

comes with the job, get use to it.

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:52 pm

goathead wrote:
TomServo wrote: But, Bush was a retard! These are just realistic.

and obama isn't

no, Obama has a functioning brain.

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:53 pm

The next president was better...

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:56 pm

old dead presidents are the best though.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:10 pm

GH!!! you're brilliant!!! That's it!!!!

Honey Badger for President!!!!

"Honey Badger takes what he wants"
" Honey Badger don't give a shit"
"Honey Badger does what he wants"

"Hey you, politician, get out of Honey Badgers way"

The Hustler · Post by **The Hustler** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:01 pm

lonestoner916 wrote:When I was born I was given my mother's maiden name, unbeknownst to my father, who was drinking in a bar somewhere. Shorty afterwards my parents split up. All through school, up until I was a sophmore in High School I used my father's last name. When I landed my first real job and needed a birth certificate I learned the truth. On paper there is NO record of any of my education.

I was adopted but my birth certificate lists my adoptive parents as birth parents. Oops!

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:35 pm

I have no horse in this race,,,, dammit TS,,,, NOT RACISM!!!! sheeesh

Does it not make you wonder how someone who is born "Barack Hussein Obama II" in Hawaii U.S.A. becomes "Barry Soetoro" citizen of Indonesia without any documentation of his mother's divorce from his father, adoption papers to his step father and no change of name documents?

There is more documentation which demonstrates his Indonesian citizenship as Barry Soetoro than his U.S. citizenship. If his school records were released along with his credentials for getting into Columbia and Harvard would that not clear the debate? Why all the secrecy? Is it contrived to merely seed debate? Why are these things sealed from public knowledge? Where are all his writings which supposedly made him stand above the rest while in school? What essays did he write for The Harvard Law Revue? Is that not required to be the Editor?

So many questions without answers,,,, he could be purple for all I care,,,, there are simply many unknowns about the President's past.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:06 pm

Seriously?
What do you imagine the bureaucratic standards are in indonesia?
The dmv and other state records aren't accurate here.

How would any of this matter, even if true?

Muslim sleeper agent or???

Dual citizenship is allowed unless it is an enemy state, I think.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:18 pm

yup, he's gotta be hiding something.........the question is:

What?

otherwise, as TnT says, all this stuff would be out on public display....or, at least, not hidden and secreted and locked away.
Who spends that kind of money, to do that?
I'd submit, not a person with nothing to hide.
I'd not even say, it a question of nationality. It may well be something different, or, personally embarrassing?

But, the point is, if there is nothing to hide, then "why hide this stuff"?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:25 pm

ygmir wrote:But, the point is, if there is nothing to hide, then "why hide this stuff"?

I dunno. Just how much privacy does one have to give up to be president? I hated it when "the enforcer" googled my log in and posted my mother's name for everyone to see. It's not that it's a big secret, partly I was pissed that my mother got dragged into it without ever signing up for it. He's got to draw the line somewhere, we employ him, we don't own him, and if we don't understand why he chose that place, that doesn't mean he's hiding something anything other the ordinary bureaucratic detritus that follows all of us.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:40 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
ygmir wrote:But, the point is, if there is nothing to hide, then "why hide this stuff"?
I dunno. Just how much privacy does one have to give up to be president? I hated it when "the enforcer" googled my log in and posted my mother's name for everyone to see. It's not that it's a big secret, partly I was pissed that my mother got dragged into it without ever signing up for it. He's got to draw the line somewhere, we employ him, we don't own him, and if we don't understand why he chose that place, that doesn't mean he's hiding something anything other the ordinary bureaucratic detritus that follows all of us.

totally true.
I'm more making the argument, based on others arguments, about other candidates and their pasts.

I seems weird, that he'd go to such lengths to hide whatever it is.
ultimately, it matters not, to me personally.
But, I sort of get a perverse pleasure, watching some defend these actions. Those same folks, have a ton of fun, vetting McCain, Palin, "W", etc, etc..........
I'd just like everyone held to the same standard, whatever that "standard" is.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:41 pm

I don't know about any of you, but my Mamma raised me to fear my "PERMANENT RECORD" and know that whatever I do in life will determine whether I could run for Class President, let alone the Oval Office.

I've had employers look seriously at my CV as well as my Transcripts. I would hope there has been documented vetting for BHO. Why the cloud of mystery?

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:18 pm

I'm not convinced there are any secrets or hidden cookie jars in the first place.
Heard the same thing about clinton.