Define "COSTUME"

MOOP_Czar · Post by **MOOP_Czar** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:13 am

I have noticed that Decompression events are charging more for entrance without a "Costume".

What is the definition of costume?

Would an artist who decides to go dressed as a Lawyer catch shit? Would a person, such as myself, who decides to wear my favorite wide pipe brown courdoroys with a very loud Hawaian shirt be in costume? Would I be displaying a "non-burner" attitude?

Maybe this warrants discussion?

A "non-burner" surcharge seems kind of shitty to me.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:17 am

I totally agree..........WFT is with "costume surcharge"?

who makes rules for TTITD? Everyone is welcome there.
And, who's to judge, what another thinks is "costume"?

foog that, IMHO!!!!

Drawingablank · Post by **Drawingablank** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:21 am

I think they do that to make it seem more like a burner event - after all if everyone wore their regular street clothes it would seem more like just a trip to your local bar.

Not saying I agree with it, just the rationale behind it. They could probably figure out a better way to encourage costumes.

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:38 am

Yeah, our regional is doing a no costume no entry thing.

junglesmacks · Post by **junglesmacks** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:41 am

Drawingablank wrote:I think they do that to make it seem more like a burner event - after all if everyone wore their regular street clothes it would seem more like just a trip to your local bar.

Not saying I agree with it, just the rationale behind it. They could probably figure out a better way to encourage costumes.

+476.87 / 3 * 5.6

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:49 am

so, someone is not a "Burner" or "burny enough" if they don't wear a costume?

seems, those who want to, will, those who don't, shouldn't be penalized.

and, yeah, without the "surcharge" it may look like a "night at the bar"

and, with a surcharge, why not just call it a "costume party" since, with that requirement, you've changed it from "all inclusive" to a "costume party".

also, in a way, your setting people not in costume up, for segregation of sorts.
I've seen plenty of folks, in nice costumes, who are "not Burners"....but wear the stuff.

BBadger · Post by **BBadger** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:59 am

I wonder about costumes too. Is it only a "costume" if it is named?

"Oh, I'm a NURSE!"

"Oh, I'm a CAT!"

"Oh uh, I'm a DIRTY HIPPIE!"

What? Move along hippie. And put down that burger! You can't enter. That ain't no costume.

This year I brought my old "costume": a lab coat, but added a decorated conical hat. I also brought some other "costume" which comprised of a robe and a fez. But really, these weren't coherent "costumes." Just some "weird things" to wear. Better than just hoodies and jeans I guess?

The guys who organize my regional are a bunch of Juggalos (nice Juggalos, not the asshole violent ones). Are they dressed up?

junglesmacks · Post by **junglesmacks** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:22 am

MOOP_Czar wrote: A "non-burner" surcharge seems kind of shitty to me.

I just found the inspirational post that prompted this thread, and think it's interesting that the author (who I actually know well) included the extra "$5 surcharge for (non-burner wear/attitude) "

Hmm...

The CO · Post by **The CO** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:35 am

Tell the person that wants to charge you extra:

"I'm wearing your mothers lipstick."

Rabbette · Post by **Rabbette** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:46 am

The CO wrote:Tell the person that wants to charge you extra:

"I'm wearing your mothers lipstick."

Woah... that's actually quite good and oh so bad at the same time.

Post by **Savannah** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:47 am

BBadger wrote:I wonder about costumes too. Is it only a "costume" if it is named?

"Oh, I'm a NURSE!"

"Oh, I'm a CAT!"

"Oh uh, I'm a DIRTY HIPPIE!"

What? Move along hippie. And put down that burger! You can't enter. That ain't no costume.

I'm a Dirty Cat Nurse!

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:54 am

ygmir wrote:so, someone is not a "Burner" or "burny enough" if they don't wear a costume?

seems, those who want to, will, those who don't, shouldn't be penalized.

and, yeah, without the "surcharge" it may look like a "night at the bar"

and, with a surcharge, why not just call it a "costume party" since, with that requirement, you've changed it from "all inclusive" to a "costume party".

also, in a way, your setting people not in costume up, for segregation of sorts.
I've seen plenty of folks, in nice costumes, who are "not Burners"....but wear the stuff.

I agree. I do know with our regional, being Utah with the odd laws, that we're a private party, and hence NOT open to the general public. You have to give names to go on the entry list when purchasing tickets. A pain, but it has to be that way or we can't have booze. There's been a lot of complaints from last year, UT Decom was held in a commercial venue and they HAD to provide the security, it was publicized, and was pretty much a dance party with a cash bar. We didn't go. So the costume thing is more a yes than a no here.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:58 am

I wore my blue footed booby t-shirt and my jk laminate with a bunch of swag attached. The person who took my $$ stood on tiptoes to check if I was in costume. But I always wonder if it's not just the chair. Although, now that I think of it, wouldn't the playa on my chair qualify me?

MOOP_Czar · Post by **MOOP_Czar** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:49 am

I wear a suit and tie every day to work.

I feel like I work in costume.

My wife has a seperate area in the closet full of nothing but what she calls "dress-up clothes".

She is a fine art photographer and she love to get dressed to the 9's when we go out - especially to an opening.

Is she in costume?

If a burner who is a member of the Fire Dept comes by after work - are they in costume?

It just seems so arbitrary.

I won't even get into the concept of the "Attitude" because that smack entirely of "Burnier than thou".

EspressoDude · Post by **EspressoDude** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:27 am

how inneresting..

What I wear ( and many others ) at TTITD would likely be considered 'costumes' by 90% of the population. To me and that remaining 10% of the population; they are OUTFITS; i.e. a set of clothes (or not); leather, silver boots, skirts, armor, etc. that is an expression of self.

NOT wearing a costume that represents someones mass produced idea of a costume that folks can buy at a holloween costume store for $25 - $50

based on the earlier concepts of COSTUME requirements, these events become something they were not intended to be.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:46 am

MOOP_Czar wrote:I have noticed that Decompression events are charging more for entrance without a "Costume"....

You just noticed this.

Been a while since I last called everyone in a thread a fuckwit. If you can't figure out how to game Burning Man or its bastard offspring, stay the fuck home and shut the fuck up.

MOOP_Czar · Post by **MOOP_Czar** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:05 pm

Bob wrote: If you can't figure out how to game Burning Man or its bastard offspring, stay the fuck home and shut the fuck up.

As proof of my fuckwitness, I apologize for not understanding this hip new way of misusing this noun as a verb. In all seriousness, I have no clue what you are saying and guess that makes me the dumbest of the dumb for requesting that you clarify.

So my heartfelt apologies.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:28 pm

(And yes, we now know that I'll sign in for usage.)
The typical idiom is "to game the system", which is sort of to rig it, but it's done by the person processed by the system, not the person setting up the system.

And Bob's been uncharicaristically kind and open lately. I suppose he's going back to "Regular Bob" mode.

junglesmacks · Post by **junglesmacks** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:41 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:And Bob's been uncharicaristically kind and open lately. I suppose he's going back to "Regular Bob" mode.

We are hitting 1.5 months post burn.. the drugs must finally be starting to wear off..

Post by **Eric** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:58 pm

EspressoDude wrote:To me and that remaining 10% of the population; they are OUTFITS; i.e. a set of clothes (or not); leather, silver boots, skirts, armor, etc. that is an expression of self.

Yup. My night-time playa clothes are what I wear out here in the city. My daytime clothes are a little more relaxed than I wear here, but not by much (I don't wear the clown pants as much to go get food, but they get worn around the house & with company)

I *hate* the costume rule. Always have, always will. So I never pay the higher price, regardless of what I'm wearing. Being argumentative can be fun.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:08 pm

im always in costume...

go ahead, try to argue that im not, i'll win...

Post by **trilobyte** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:14 pm

I think they're defining costume as not street attire, and simply trying to offer an incentive to be creative. They've been offering discounts for playa-wear for years (offered in SF & LA in 2004 when I first started participating), if calling it costumes is new it's probably because the default world audience doesn't understand words like playa-wear or playa attire. It's all just kind of clothes to me now, I don't keep things separated into separate groups anymore.

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:19 pm

L.A. decomp abandoned that practice this year for the first time since I can remember.

MOOP_Czar · Post by **MOOP_Czar** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:58 pm

Thank you Crypto.

I was unaware of that idiom.

If the system is fucked up, why not question it?

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:04 pm

BTW, my avatar is actual moop I picked up and tossed in the dumpsters myself.

I'd be happy to add your... costume.

MOOP_Czar · Post by **MOOP_Czar** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:25 pm

Bob wrote:BTW, my avatar is actual moop I picked up and tossed in the dumpsters myself.

I'd be happy to add your... costume.

He's crotchety, but kind of in an endearing sort of way.

moonrise · Post by **moonrise** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:43 pm

It's an 'outfit' never a costume. I like Trilos description; playa wear or playa attire; works for me.

The MV builder/gearheads I know wouldn't be caught dead in anything but jeans and a sweat shirt, w/maybe a touch of playa wear/attire. I asked them about the situation and they told me they put in enough time and $ building fantastic MV's. Maybe they can bring a photo or the actual MV as their their costume, or pay extra $ to get in

Oh no! I just realized, I have nothing to wear for our decomp, is naked allowed as a cotume?

MOOP_Czar · Post by **MOOP_Czar** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:50 pm

moonrise wrote:It's an 'outfit' never a costume. I like Trilos description; playa wear or playa attire; works for me.

The MV builder/gearheads I know wouldn't be caught dead in anything but jeans and a sweat shirt, w/maybe a touch of playa wear/attire. I asked them about the situation and they told me they put in enough time and $ building fantastic MV's. Maybe they can bring a photo or the actual MV as their their costume, or pay extra $ to get in

Oh no! I just realized, I have nothing to wear for our decomp, is naked allowed as a cotume?

You may be in luck.

Try it out.

What I wonder is if they would give DPW workers shit if they showed up just wearing jeans and a DPW shirt.

Actually, I would buy a ticket to see that.

Post by **Savannah** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:21 pm

What I wonder is if they would give DPW workers shit if they showed up just wearing jeans and a DPW shirt.

I would allow them in based on that, were I the door girl.

If they added Bunny ears, I would pay them a dollar to come in.

(This is why no one allows me to work the door.)

lucky420 · Post by **lucky420** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:05 am

i fucking love costumes... I hoard them just in case, you never know when you might need to be someone/something else!

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