OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

[Elderberry]

The air waves, (FCC), the federal forests, oceans and mineral resources belong to the people too, yet corporations have defacto-occupied these public trusts and made billions thanks to give-aways, favorable tax laws and poor oversight. Where is the public outrage over these "occupations"?

it is in the national interest, to mine and log, for materials to build things here.
it'd be interesting,to see how much you car would cost (if domestic), house, etc...if raw materials were handled as you seem to want.
The companies, do pay.......maybe not what you think, but, it's not "free"........and, the regulations and such, are costly.
Look at the scale necessary, to get the iron, copper, whatever out of the ground, even if it were totally "free" the costs would be, and are, enormous.
Same with fishing.
Where, do you think materials come from? Walmart?..........someone, has to mine or harvest, everything you have.

complain how much it costs to build a home, then, go and raise the prices for raw materials, even higher......
and, not to mention foriegn competition, for lumber for instance. Our national lumber doesn't even stay here. A lot is exported, and we use imported lumber from Canada...........

Both of these views are correct generally speaking. But start getting more specific, I'm pretty sure you will find they do not apply as equally for each specific situation/industry/company.

[Sola Gangsta]

For those crying about getting hurt or some little owwy the cop put on you
Same as Burning Man, READ THE BACK OF YOUR TICKET

You show disproportionate outrage for damage to a few parks? Did you have similar outrage over the Fukushima and BP oil spill in the gulf? Are dirty hippies a greater environmental threat than some irradiated oily ocean water?

I think you need to get your priorities straight. Unless you are one of the 1%, you are acting against your own best interests.

BTW, we are the cops and military. Most of my friends are elite power lifters (as myself) and are either former military or currently enlisted, and one of my cousins is a New York State Trooper and he supports the #Occupy protests as well (worried about losing his pension from a previous job). You have an inaccurate picture of us as wimps.

The reality is that it is the bankers who are the ones with no backbone and hardly any work ethic. They are parasites living off the fruits of the labor of the poor.

[Elderberry]

The reality is that it is the bankers who are the ones with no backbone and hardly any work ethic. They are parasites living off the fruits of the labor of the poor.

Though I agree with everything you said, I really don't like the above rhetoric. IMHO it is inflammatory and doesn't do much to advance the cause.

[ygmir]

The reality is that it is the bankers who are the ones with no backbone and hardly any work ethic. They are parasites living off the fruits of the labor of the poor.

Though I agree with everything you said, I really don't like the above rhetoric. IMHO it is inflammatory and doesn't do much to advance the cause.

thank you JK.

[Ugly Dougly]

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it is in the national interest, to mine and log, for materials to build things here.
it'd be interesting,to see how much you car would cost (if domestic), house, etc...if raw materials were handled as you seem to want.
The companies, do pay.......maybe not what you think, but, it's not "free"........and, the regulations and such, are costly.
Look at the scale necessary, to get the iron, copper, whatever out of the ground, even if it were totally "free" the costs would be, and are, enormous.
Same with fishing.
Where, do you think materials come from? Walmart?..........someone, has to mine or harvest, everything you have.

complain how much it costs to build a home, then, go and raise the prices for raw materials, even higher......
and, not to mention foriegn competition, for lumber for instance. Our national lumber doesn't even stay here. A lot is exported, and we use imported lumber from Canada...........

It's also in our national interest not to despoil the land for future generations, of course. History shows that with those who are exploiting these resources, it's prudent to have some oversight. I'm sure you meant to include that as well.

[Sola Gangsta]

The reality is that it is the bankers who are the ones with no backbone and hardly any work ethic. They are parasites living off the fruits of the labor of the poor.

Though I agree with everything you said, I really don't like the above rhetoric. IMHO it is inflammatory and doesn't do much to advance the cause.

I call a spade a spade. No sugar coating here. Too much PC and you run the risk of numbing the mind.

[Ugly Dougly]

For my part, I don't care to let contempt inform my politics.

Though a seemingly wise statement, I'm not sure exactly how it relates. Care to elaborate?

Seemingly, yes, I am not sure either!

I'm pretty fortunate, blessed I might say. That doesn't allow me to look down on someone who is jobless or homeless, or seriously ill without health insurance, or anyone else, as stupid or lazy. Any of us could be cast out by the system at any moment. Still, not sure how that relates.

Just a phase I'm going through, I suspect. Carry on!

[Ugly Dougly]

The reality is that it is the bankers who are the ones with no backbone and hardly any work ethic. They are parasites living off the fruits of the labor of the poor.

Though I agree with everything you said, I really don't like the above rhetoric. IMHO it is inflammatory and doesn't do much to advance the cause.

I call a spade a spade. No sugar coating here. Too much PC and you run the risk of numbing the mind.

I don't know any bankers personally. So I hesitate to judge them. I am sure they work hard in their own way.
But the overall tendency to make money from speculation and what amounts to gambling, rather than actually creating anything... well, it doesn't offend my (he-he) work ethic, but I doubt that it's a healthy thing for an economy to base its wealth on something like that.

[ygmir]

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it is in the national interest, to mine and log, for materials to build things here.
it'd be interesting,to see how much you car would cost (if domestic), house, etc...if raw materials were handled as you seem to want.
The companies, do pay.......maybe not what you think, but, it's not "free"........and, the regulations and such, are costly.
Look at the scale necessary, to get the iron, copper, whatever out of the ground, even if it were totally "free" the costs would be, and are, enormous.
Same with fishing.
Where, do you think materials come from? Walmart?..........someone, has to mine or harvest, everything you have.

complain how much it costs to build a home, then, go and raise the prices for raw materials, even higher......
and, not to mention foriegn competition, for lumber for instance. Our national lumber doesn't even stay here. A lot is exported, and we use imported lumber from Canada...........

It's also in our national interest not to despoil the land for future generations, of course. History shows that with those who are exploiting these resources, it's prudent to have some oversight. I'm sure you meant to include that as well.

I thought I acknowledged it by stating it's costly. And yes, of course, it should be done as low impact, as possible. BUT, that has to balance with need. WE have to mine and harvest, to exist, and over doing it, will also end our existence. As long as there is middle ground, it seems ok, to me.

[Sola Gangsta]

I don't know any bankers personally. So I hesitate to judge them. I am sure they work hard in their own way.

I'm not talking about Joe Banker on main street who gets a paycheck like everyone else and is a clerk. That should be obvious. I'm referring to the ones who set up the federal reserve and everyone else involved in deregulating the banking industry by paying off congress through lobbying, etc...

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[ygmir]

so again, why not cut off the head of the beast........Congress...............

[unjonharley]

so again, why not cut off the head of the beast........Congress...............

Term and wage limit would do a great job..

Along with no under the table watch dogs..

Mit and Nwet are of the 1%.. Both got there from Wall Street money

[unjonharley]

oops

[theCryptofishist]

so again, why not cut off the head of the beast........Congress...............

Because that is not the head of the beast. That's the tame lapdog of the 1%, ever running after the master, waggling his tail, hoping for a treat.

Besides, it has been tried and come to nothing.

[littleflower]

I don't know any bankers personally. So I hesitate to judge them. I am sure they work hard in their own way.
But the overall tendency to make money from speculation and what amounts to gambling, rather than actually creating anything... well, it doesn't offend my (he-he) work ethic, but I doubt that it's a healthy thing for an economy to base its wealth on something like that.

Dougly, i don't know any bankers, so i'm not sure this is what you're referring to ... but i am very close to a money manager, and feel comfortable saying that while gambling is part of it, there is far more involved. he basically reads all day, studying companies and the economy, and charting growth and changes. the idea is to invest in companies that are growing, and those companies are creating stuff ... but they need more capital to grow. as with everything else, there are good, well-managed companies and weak companies that lack product and/or good management... the trick is to find the best buys out there. it takes some combination of study and nerve, as well as a patience and a cool head.... not an easy job at all. massive pressure.

[ygmir]

so again, why not cut off the head of the beast........Congress...............

Because that is not the head of the beast. That's the tame lapdog of the 1%, ever running after the master, waggling his tail, hoping for a treat.

Besides, it has been tried and come to nothing.

but, the thing is, without congress' willingness to regulate (correctly), oversee and or enforce (order enforcement), the "1%" can and will, do as they please.
you'll never get rid of the "rich".......it's the human condition to stratify.
But, if we could get a congress, who did the "peoples" work and, cared, the "bad guys" would have no loopholes and such to use.
yup, it's tough, but, I really thing, congress is the focal point, for good and bad.
If we'd get a congress, unwilling to be "lapdogs".........well, it'd work.

I'd submit, getting rid of "the rich" has also been tried, many times, in many societies.......it never works. If they are physically removed (Russia/USSR?), they are just replaced with despotic, corrupt and corruptible rulers, arguably, just a bad.

[BlackRockCityPimp]

We are gonna "bailout" europe to save the "global economy" according to cnn. Since 650,000+ people have switched to credit unions I wonder how long it will be before another corporate goon demands taxpayers fund million dollar bonus plans for execs.

On a positive note... OWS has some nice office space donated so they can work on the next evolution.


Thomas Jefferson did warn of corporations and banksters.

[Elderberry]

so again, why not cut off the head of the beast........Congress...............

Congress is not the beast; congress is just people like you and me. (though it sounds like you have been swayed by the Republican misinformation machine) And I'm not for a minute saying that Congress doesn't need a bit of reforming--mostly by removing their incentive for corruption--money. So maybe if you want to use glittering generalities we should say..... why not cut off the balls of the beast.

[Elderberry]

so again, why not cut off the head of the beast........Congress...............

Term and wage limit would do a great job..

Along with no under the table watch dogs..

Mit and Nwet are of the 1%.. Both got there from Wall Street money

I'm not for term limits nor wage limits. If they do their jobs, I think they should stay as long as they are effective and should be paid enough to want to do the people's work. But they need to have strictly enforces rules, all of which relate to removing the money, big corporations and lobbyists totally out of the picture. Public service needs to be restored to its original intent--to serve the public, not be bought of by special interests.

[Ugly Dougly]

Agreed. Congressmen and senators are human beings like you and me, some of them interested in making their beloved country a better place. Not demons.
From what I see, it's when money buys their attention and sometimes even their obedience, that the system starts to break.

[Ugly Dougly]

This one's fun.

Pro-Tax Millionaires Group Tells Grover Norquist: ‘Move To Somalia!’ | Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength, a group of millionaires advocating for higher taxes on the wealthy and an end to the Bush tax cuts, met with Congressional leaders yesterday in Washington. But they also met with anti-tax advocate Grover Norquist, and according to one of the millionaires, the group told him that if he’s so opposed to taxation, he should move to Somalia, the Huffington Post reports. Eric Schoenberg, member of the millionaires group, told HuffPo that he asked Norquist if he’d be willing to sign a pledge forgoing all benefits paid for by tax dollars. “And he said, ‘If I don’t have to pay any taxes for it, I would forgo all those things!’” Schoenberg said. “To which my response was, ‘Well there’s an easy way to do that, move to Somalia!’” Norquist told HuffPo that Somalia’s problem, however, was that it had “a whole bunch of governments…compet[ing] to be in charge of pushing you around.”

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/1 ... o-somalia/

[ygmir]

so again, why not cut off the head of the beast........Congress...............

Congress is not the beast; congress is just people like you and me. (though it sounds like you have been swayed by the Republican misinformation machine) And I'm not for a minute saying that Congress doesn't need a bit of reforming--mostly by removing their incentive for corruption--money. So maybe if you want to use glittering generalities we should say..... why not cut off the balls of the beast.

I make similar arguments, with my republican friends........
but, here, the preponderance of folks are democrat and or liberal.
so, I can see how you'd see it that way.


@Dougly:
if, your saying most congresspeople, are just humans, like us (some, I'm sure, are not), I'll agree.
and, if you're saying, they only go bad, under the influence of money/power. I'll also agree.

I'll also submit, Mao, Tse 'Tung, was a nice boy, just like Stalin, and only got bad when the money and power influenced them as they grew older..........

I'd like to see, though, an example made:
My feeling is, the majority of congress, is corrupt. Good or bad, I'd like to see them all thrown out. Just, to prove, it can happen.
Now, they all operate feeling above the law and rules, and, safe.
I'd like that safe feeling to be gone, for them, to show the next "crew", it's not so safe, to screw up.

[Elderberry]

FOX "news" makes people dumber!!!! Now there's proof.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/left-rejoice ... le-stupid/
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
http://www.mediaite.com/online/that-ill ... thodology/

[unjonharley]

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I'm not for term limits nor wage limits. If they do their jobs, I think they should stay as long as they are effective and should be paid enough to want to do the people's work. But they need to have strictly enforces rules, all of which relate to removing the money, big corporations and lobbyists totally out of the picture. Public service needs to be restored to its original intent--to serve the public, not be bought of by special interests.

Face the truth.. They are all bought and payed for before they enter office.

The American dose not have the ability to vote the greedy bastards out..

Grindridge has the most baggage of all.. He wants elected to the top spot..

Never smile

at a crocodile

Don't be taken in

By his welcome grin

He is imagining how well you will feel

within his skin

[Elderberry]

Hey I'm amazed at the entire cadre of republicans trying to garner the nomination for president. It's embarrassing, really.

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I'm not for term limits nor wage limits. If they do their jobs, I think they should stay as long as they are effective and should be paid enough to want to do the people's work. But they need to have strictly enforces rules, all of which relate to removing the money, big corporations and lobbyists totally out of the picture. Public service needs to be restored to its original intent--to serve the public, not be bought of by special interests.

Face the truth.. They are all bought and payed for before they enter office.

The American dose not have the ability to vote the greedy bastards out..

Grindridge has the most baggage of all.. He wants elected to the top spot..

Never smile

at a crocodile

Don't be taken in

By his welcome grin

He is imagining how well you will feel

within his skin

[Ugly Dougly]

so again, why not cut off the head of the beast........Congress...............

Congress is not the beast; congress is just people like you and me. (though it sounds like you have been swayed by the Republican misinformation machine) And I'm not for a minute saying that Congress doesn't need a bit of reforming--mostly by removing their incentive for corruption--money. So maybe if you want to use glittering generalities we should say..... why not cut off the balls of the beast.

I make similar arguments, with my republican friends........
but, here, the preponderance of folks are democrat and or liberal.
so, I can see how you'd see it that way.


@Dougly:
if, your saying most congresspeople, are just humans, like us (some, I'm sure, are not), I'll agree.
and, if you're saying, they only go bad, under the influence of money/power. I'll also agree.

I'll also submit, Mao, Tse 'Tung, was a nice boy, just like Stalin, and only got bad when the money and power influenced them as they grew older..........

I'd like to see, though, an example made:
My feeling is, the majority of congress, is corrupt. Good or bad, I'd like to see them all thrown out. Just, to prove, it can happen.
Now, they all operate feeling above the law and rules, and, safe.
I'd like that safe feeling to be gone, for them, to show the next "crew", it's not so safe, to screw up.

Yes, my Norse pagan friend, we have a chance every few years to vote for someone else. It's a worthy cause.

[Ugly Dougly]

Hey I'm amazed at the entire cadre of republicans trying to garner the nomination for president. It's embarrassing, really.

As long as they can fit into one car.

[Elderberry]

Oh man, that's rich!

[Elderberry]

U.N. Envoy: U.S. Isn't Protecting Occupy Protesters' Rights

WASHINGTON -- The United Nations envoy for freedom of expression is drafting an official communication to the U.S. government demanding to know why federal officials are not protecting the rights of Occupy demonstrators whose protests are being disbanded -- sometimes violently -- by local authorities.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/0 ... #undefined

[unjonharley]

U.N. Envoy: U.S. Isn't Protecting Occupy Protesters' Rights

WASHINGTON -- The United Nations envoy for freedom of expression is drafting an official communication to the U.S. government demanding to know why federal officials are not protecting the rights of Occupy demonstrators whose protests are being disbanded -- sometimes violently -- by local authorities.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/0 ... #undefined

Destroying property is not protesting..

OPDX marched the side walks in a demonstration of what, No one has figured out yet.. No problem until some one pushed a cop (on traffic control) in front of a moving bus.. No problem until some one though a fire works that burned and sent a cop to the hospital.. and a few other little things.. Overall three people were arrested along a day long march.. Three more were arrested for trespassing and not leaving privet property.. All of these arrest were made in front of a camera.. One female broke rank and charge and pushed a cop.. For that she got pepper sprayed when she would not back down.. What the fuck you exspect? The cops should hand out roses already??