Because "scalping" is legal in both California and Nevada. There is no way for the llc to prevent a ticket's journey through other hands once it's been mailed.jorgebongo wrote:The Lotto is a fine idea, but why can't Burning Man be the sole reseller of the ticket?
theCryptofishist wrote:
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theCryptofishistMIGHTHAVESAID wrote:
If only LarryH didn't have busloads of escorts shipped in from Vegas to deal with his insatiable thirst for easy women we wouldnt even have to worry about the BLM population cap or scalpers.
You are right, this statement was not a good predictor.Mofessor wrote:here's what I dug up in about 15 minutes, I'm sure you can find more:A Jester wrote:Care to post some evidence of these multiple people saying those four things? Or was this just a Fox News style "some people say" sort of thing?Mofessor wrote: All along the way there are people who have said, "don't worry, it will all be fine." A "few" people might apply for more tickets than they need. A "few" people might have enough extra $$$ to purchase extra tickets. A "few" burners might get their shit together and register for the lottery.
Every step along the way they've been wrong, but they continue with the BMORG party line. How very Rumsfeldian.
(sorry couldn't resist turning that table on you)
The main sale is structured so that even if there's a stronger than usual increase in ticket demand, there should still be enough tickets to go around (trilobyte)
That's great that you and your friend are not only down with hoarding, but that you're in a spot where you can both tie up all that extra money until sometime in June (well the hoarding bit's not great). I don't see the rest of the Burning Man community being in that kind of situation, both from the paranoia standpoint and the financial standpoint. (trilobyte)
woohoo that you guys can all spare twice as much cash for tickets (they won't be fulfilled until June, don't expect the ability to transfer will call tix before fulfillment happens), but I don't think the majority of participants feel the same way you do (or are in the same financial situation). (trilobyte)
so, MamaChicken is saying we'll all get tickets. I think we have another six months before we can be sure if Mama is wrong.the "lotto" is nothing more than just a panic attack because in the end we will all get a ticket (mamachicken32)
Again, we have yet to see what the likelihood of anyone getting a ticket is. I'm not sure what you (or Eric) calls "High", would 75% be "high"?I am just realistic enough to know that with 40,000 tickets on sale in the main drawing the likelihood of getting one is pretty damn high. (Eric)
Hey, you got one!I'm betting that there'll be a glut of T3 tickets from the main sale adding to that as well. This may be even more than were available for sale at that time last year. (bbadger)
Again, vague and hard to disprove until people actually can't get into the event.There will be plenty of tickets to go around. (TT120)
I guess Davoid was wrong overall, we'll have to see if his March predictions were totally off, too.if by some small chance you don't get in on a couple of those 40,000 tickets available, you'll have to try in March, when there's a remote chance that those will sell out before you buy yours (Davoid)
ZaphodBurner wrote:
The difference between buying a ticket from a scalper and prostituting yourself for one is, if you suck dick for a ticket and brag about it, burners will still respect you.
Yawn.... zero points. I'm sure you can do better. Try again.A Jester wrote:Mofessor wrote:[quote="
If you really think that the BMORG is some evil cabal of liars, why go to the event? Shouldn't you stop supporting them? Maybe start your own "We're not dicks and we're honest" event?
Yeah, that wasn't my best. I was at work and kinda distracted. I'm home now, after dinner I'll try to do better.Mofessor wrote:Yawn.... zero points. I'm sure you can do better. Try again.A Jester wrote:Mofessor wrote:[quote="
If you really think that the BMORG is some evil cabal of liars, why go to the event? Shouldn't you stop supporting them? Maybe start your own "We're not dicks and we're honest" event?
ZaphodBurner wrote:
The difference between buying a ticket from a scalper and prostituting yourself for one is, if you suck dick for a ticket and brag about it, burners will still respect you.
And then we have people complaining that they can't plan what they will do until they get the ticket.veleda wrote:Personally I think there should be application process with the emphasis on WHAT you are bringing to the burn based on a combination of experience and contribution + a certain number of slots for virgins who also apply, then leftovers available in the general market. It gets rid of the weekend frat kids and/or other spectators that don't actually contribute. Since the percentage of contributors to spectators is not so great right now, I think this might be able to meet the demand of creators (art, music, events) to attend.
Mofessor wrote:[quote="A Jester wrote: If you really think that the BMORG is some evil cabal of liars, why go to the event? Shouldn't you stop supporting them? Maybe start your own "We're not dicks and we're honest" event?
Mofessor wrote:Yawn.... zero points. I'm sure you can do better. Try again.
Yes, please Stalin. Josef Vissarionovich is just so fascinating.A Jester wrote:Yeah, that wasn't my best. I was at work and kinda distracted. I'm home now, after dinner I'll try to do better.
Just for kicks, should I continue on with the comparisons to the Bush administration or do you think it would be more fun to take a stab at some another famous leader? Stalin or something? Maybe an Orwellian reference?
alt12 wrote:No, perceived scarcity is the problem. There isn't that much actual scarcity. There is a minor surplus of demand over the allowable allotted tickets (easily less than 10%). There is no way to know of course but I don't see why all 50,000 tickets would sell out on the first day. There is no evidence that what took 5 months to happen would happen in 5 hours this year. Most people (those that didn't procrastinate) were not impacted whatsoever by the selling-out and weren't significantly concerned about selling out this year because we knew we could do what we always we do which is buy on day 1 and beat the thousands of virgins who don't make their decision until later in the year.trilobyte wrote:All that was true the minute tickets sold out last July. Scarcity is the problem. If it was done via first come, first serve the boards would be filled with people screaming bloody murder about the event having completely sold out already.
It is only with this lottery "system" that the concept of scarcity has been deeply embedded in everyone's psyche leading to a general (and false) conclusion that there is a serious shortage of tickets. THis has resulted in massive over purchasing, hoarding, etc. (and why not, with so much uncertain injected into the ticket buying process, any rationale actor would try to increase their chances of getting a ticket by co-ordinating with others to purchase extra) such that the tickets now did sell out in 5 hours. The lottery system created the very problem it was trying to avoid.
Apparently no economics or psychologists working at bmorg as this qualifies as behavioral economics 101....
That's a pretty awesome story.amarantha wrote:All this talk of ticket reselling and verification, etc. makes me want to give a shout-out to the amazing burner from New Orleans who sold me two face-value tickets on Craigslist in 2010 (I think), and when I expressed concern about getting scammed, he actually MAILED ME THE TICKETS FIRST and let me send the money once I had them in hand. How awesome is that?
Hopefully people with extra tickets will be cool like that this year!
(EDIT: To clarify, I didn't mean that people should literally do what he did, but just that they should show the burner spirit when redistributing their extra tickets.)
ZaphodBurner wrote:
The difference between buying a ticket from a scalper and prostituting yourself for one is, if you suck dick for a ticket and brag about it, burners will still respect you.
Awesome! Hopefully you find another gullible rube this year too!amarantha wrote:All this talk of ticket reselling and verification, etc. makes me want to give a shout-out to the amazing burner from New Orleans who sold me two face-value tickets on Craigslist in 2010 (I think), and when I expressed concern about getting scammed, he actually MAILED ME THE TICKETS FIRST and let me send the money once I had them in hand. How awesome is that?
