Are plug and plays brainwashing the new burners?

[Turtleburp]

hey YOU, how about this as an idea.

you hate rv'ers, plug and play campers, rich people, sparkleponies, ravers, frat boys and weekenders. you avoid them, don't partake of there beer, fresh food, music or anything else.

I like all the above, show them "the other way" to burn educate and welcome them. drink the beer and pizza from the fridge, listen the dubstep or urban house (or whatever music they play) look at the sparkelpony, eat the cold melon the weekender brought to share, laugh at the frat boys trying to rodeo the sparklepony and generally have a good time being radicaly inclusive.

Add sensible and reasonable to my, I mean James Brownes fight list!!

[TomServo]

How about the Romans, graidawg? Will you play with them too?

[Elderberry]

BBager, Graidawg, Ygmir

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[TomServo]

Damn! I'm Jealous!

[TomServo]

A bit of advice for camp's wanting to attract members. Provide Private Porta Potties, Feed them twice daily, and promise them all the alcohol they can consume. It's a shame we didn't plan that far ahead. Just lost three campers to someone who did.

..dues weren't bad..only 250 a head


If I had only told them about the hot tub sooner!

[graidawg]

I dated a roman once. but only because her name was Natasha

[AntiM]

Terminal Village with the private portos really was a delight. However, showers and communal food really are turnoffs for me. I eat what and when I want, and most shower rigs are overrated.

If anything ever happened to MyLarry, I would surely need to purchase my burn. Those suites in the French Quarter look mighty plush.

[theCryptofishist]

I hate showers. The damn breeze picks up and there you are in the open. Sponge bath--adequate unto my own needs.

[Simon of the Playa]

Fuck you, My food Court is Better, and there's no goddamn dust OR hippies.

[Elorrum]

It needs to be dirtier, muddier, hotter, biting insects, colder at night, rainy. Why aren't people telling their friends how fucking awful this whole experience is? I don't get it.
Can we at least agree on leave no trace? I think the commodification horse has left the barn.

[TomServo]

Terminal Village with the private portos really was a delight. However, showers and communal food really are turnoffs for me. I eat what and when I want, and most shower rigs are overrated.

If anything ever happened to MyLarry, I would surely need to purchase my burn. Those suites in the French Quarter look mighty plush.

Private porta potties just seems a little shitist, in my opinion. While technically communal dining, I found the atmosphere of the commisary to be quite inviting. We don't have a shower..per se.. but rather a daily group tongue bath or lick en masse.

[Elderberry]

It needs to be dirtier, muddier, hotter, biting insects, colder at night, rainy. Why aren't people telling their friends how fucking awful this whole experience is? I don't get it.
Can we at least agree on leave no trace? I think the commodification horse has left the barn.

Actually, the commodification horse will not have left the barn until you can actually sell stuff on the playa. Everybody has always been spending lots of money on camp, shade, art, gifts, fire, art cars, etc. but once through the gate, the commodification principle starts. (except for ice and coffee)

[TomServo]

It needs to be dirtier, muddier, hotter, biting insects, colder at night, rainy. Why aren't people telling their friends how fucking awful this whole experience is? I don't get it.
Can we at least agree on leave no trace? I think the commodification horse has left the barn.

Actually, the commodification horse will not have left the barn until you can actually sell stuff on the playa. Everybody has always been spending lots of money on camp, shade, art, gifts, fire, art cars, etc. but once through the gate, the commodification principle starts. (except for ice and coffee)

Though, technically, purchased "pre-playa", the services rendered still counts as part of the transaction..does it not?

[AntiM]

Arbitrarily, nope. Shades of gray.

[Elderberry]

It needs to be dirtier, muddier, hotter, biting insects, colder at night, rainy. Why aren't people telling their friends how fucking awful this whole experience is? I don't get it.
Can we at least agree on leave no trace? I think the commodification horse has left the barn.

Actually, the commodification horse will not have left the barn until you can actually sell stuff on the playa. Everybody has always been spending lots of money on camp, shade, art, gifts, fire, art cars, etc. but once through the gate, the commodification principle starts. (except for ice and coffee)

Though, technically, purchased "pre-playa", the services rendered still counts as part of the transaction..does it not?

I'm not sure I understand your question. Everything you 'buy' to use on the playa is part of a financial transaction-- tents, clothes, food, RV's, fuel, etc., etc. To try and draw any distinction is foolish at best. There could be no first camp, no porta potties, no art cars, etc. and you would have to arrive on playa naked with no supplies or food.

[TomServo]

When one "purchases" a tent or canopy...or even Rents an Rv, the purchase is usually said and done. In the case of a rental, you sometimes have to cover up the company logo..or are at least encouraged to do so. Maybe any signage at these camps, can simply be covered up! Hey Presto! No more problem!

[Elderberry]

I don't see any effort made to cover the brand names on the jots, the water trucks, the generators used at first camp, etc., etc. I have never covered the logo on our rental truck either. If its good enough for BMORG it's good enough for me.

[FIGJAM]

People talking about "plug and plays" have ruined Burning Man!

[Elderberry]

People talking about "plug and plays" have ruined Burning Man!

Agreed.

[TomServo]

Not anymore, No. And its a shame. Seeing the creative work people did with corporate logos was something I always enjoyed. So in the spirit of creativity, I say we do it. Even cross branding, like was done to thunderdome,can be fun.

[TomServo]

People talking about "plug and plays" have ruined Burning Man!

Agreed

[Elderberry]

Not anymore, No. And its a shame. Seeing the creative work people did with corporate logos was something I always enjoyed. So in the spirit of creativity, I say we do it. Even cross branding, like was done to thunderdome,can be fun.

But that's the whole point, isn't it? You can burn what ever way you want. And so should that same courtesy be extended to everybody else without criticism or lectures about how they should be doing it.

[TomServo]

My point, which seems to have been missed here..is Yes, you can burn however you want! And I've ALWAYS said that. But while offering to wipe ones ass for a fee makes great performance art...it REEKS of commercialization. And to those of us who actually were duped into "buying" the principles,it kinda matters.
I love Rebuilt muscle cars from the 60's and 70's even modified ones. While technically art..and in some cases mutated..they are NOT MVs! And the DMVs reply to these applicants has always been..."there are other venues for this type of vehicle."
Get it? The principles of Burning Man are Burning Man's. The principles of Plug & Plays" are Marriotts.

I'm not about to go tearing these camps down..nor would I encourage others to do so. But if it seems to be flying in the face of these principles, I will bitch about it. Everyone here likes to bitch..I can honestly say, at least I know when I'm doing it.

[Elderberry]

I think if you could actually read your last post "objectively" you would have to agree that it is you that just doesn't get it.

[TomServo]

I think if you could actually read your last post "objectively" you would have to agree that it is you that just doesn't get it.

Yeah ok. and I'm jealous too

[TomServo]

If your dead set on justifying your comfy lifestyle, I guess anyone will believe their own rational.

[Elderberry]

I think if you could actually read your last post "objectively" you would have to agree that it is you that just doesn't get it.

Yeah ok. and I'm jealous too

And just who are you trying to convince? Us or yourself?

[TomServo]

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[Elderberry]

If your dead set on justifying your comfy lifestyle, I guess anyone will believe their own rational.

That's all any person can do when finances are limited. Why should someone that can afford a comfy lifestyle on the playa or anywhere else for that matter have to defend, explain or rationalize it to those that can't?

[TomServo]

I think if you could actually read your last post "objectively" you would have to agree that it is you that just doesn't get it.

Yeah ok. and I'm jealous too

And just who are you trying to convince? Us or yourself?

No need to convince you. You already Know I'm jealous